Of Hearts and Minds

In case any of you might be interested to see it, I have another film coming out.

“Of Hearts and Minds’, was our working title but it was deemed too obscure. It is now called,

“Heart v Mind: What makes us Human.”  

It will be shown on Tuesday 10th of July at 9pm on BBC4 and on the iplayer thereafter.

The film casts some light on why I have sometimes not written on the blog for a while.

 

125 thoughts on “Of Hearts and Minds”

    1. Nice of you to say so. This one is not as philosophical as Soul Searching – but more personal. Also I didn’t direct this one a talented young man called David Briggs directed.

      1. I sat down to watch an interesting film tonight and, as I watched, realised that my heart was being touched in a way I wasn’t expecting…..I felt I was meeting a kindred, someone who really knows what it is to feel and I was overjoyed to have the the heart’s connection to humanity’s capacity for compassion verified by you.
        In these times when there seems to be a void of compassion / community / connection / love it is so important to come across people like you in your film, someone who transmits real emotion…a common ground that connects us, that enables us to recognise the truth of a person. I love that the egyptians saw the heart as the vessel of truth! Your true, sad and beautiful feeling for your wife grasped my own heart and I felt deeply connected.
        What a film , how you moved me!
        Thank you…….
        Ps – just realised that you did the Secret life of waves……another amazing surprise that led me deeply into the wonder of life!

  1. Congrats Golem…cannot wait to see it….though those of us from across the pond may have to wait for a bit? Or is the iplayer available to us as well? You certainly drive towards the the heart of a thing, and connect with “hearts and minds” that are grateful for the meaningful touchpoint. I hope you have a realistic grasp of your contribution. I suspect there may be many of us quiet ones who “lurk and learn” at this point. Thank you.

  2. If you down load a VPN you can follow this programme from abroad, I could recommend some ,but may infringe the non advertising ethos of this blog. BBCiplayer is the route to follow.

    1. Daniel,

      You’re right I have stayed away form advertizing but I think a recommendation from you would probably just help those of us who know less than you.

      If you can recommend those VPN’s you think are best/easiest I am sure people would be grateful.

      1. No need for a VPN. As Roger mentioned below, one can use firefox with foxyproxy. Then just search on google for proxies in the UK until you find one that works. That’s what I did in order to watch Up 56 in May.

        Looking forward to this documentary!

  3. DAVID,
    I am based in China and the most effective I have found to be is VPNexpress, it covers all worldwide locations. Just Google and you will have it. You can sign on for a month,6 months or a year at approx $9 , $50 , $99..

  4. Will we see any scientific programs in the future? Dangerous Knowledge is one of my favourite documentaries and I would love to see more in this field. It is very well produced even compared to your other programs.

    Perhaps a multi segmented show about derivatives and a deeper economical and mathematical analysis.

  5. David, I’ve just watched your excellent documentary “Hearts vs Minds”. I found it a truly compelling program and would like to thank you for handling the subject with such a wonderful balance between science and the little understood world of emotions.

    I’d love to chat to you about it more if you’re ever free for a talk:-).

  6. I’m really pleased I watched that programme David. It made me think of something Max Planck said:

    “Science…..means unresting endeavour and continually progressing development towards an aim which the poetic intuition may apprehend but the intellect can never fully grasp.”

    You’ve shown us that poetic intuition isn’t a flight of fancy and we can safely trust our heart to guild our intellect. Thank you.

    1. Hello Joe,

      What a wonderful quote. I was not aware of it. Old Mr Planck said a few good things didn’t he! Intuition is a deep and important scientific as well as personal mystery. I find film after film is drawn back to it in one way or another.

      Thanks Joe.

  7. Now that was a stimulating programme. My wife and I really did feel it in our hearts for you…

    I consider myself non-religious, but perhaps spiritual(?), and the more I see programs that come up with amazing facts like the neurons in the heart bit of your programme, the more I think ‘All this happened by an accident of nature?’ Nah! It’s just not possible…

    We are differant from the animals – we have free will, but birds and animals have a pre-determined life-plan. I’m not religious (I reiterate) but I am reminded of the Bible quote that goes something like ‘As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he’

    We are putting out the good vibes for you and your family…

    1. Heloo John Penny and better half.

      Thank you for watching and for the good vibes. Like you I am not religious though I am a quaker. And like you I am struck again and again by how much more we are as creatures than some of the more triumphalist scientists like to claim.

      Sometimes scientists seem tempted to disregard or even dismiss those things their current theories cannot encompass. It leads to impoverished theories of who and what we are and is just bad science.

      1. Thankyou for the reply David. I looked up the quote and it comes from the book of proverbs. Profound, I’m sure you agree.

        Not that long ago there was a program about those people who had been recipients of hearts in a transplant. A woman who had one started drinking beer for the first time and inexplicably took to motorbikes. She was able to discover that the donor was a beer-drinking man who had been killed on his motorbike… This was not an isolated incident either. I daresay this is somewhere in the BBC archives.

        My late father used to say ‘there are more things in heaven and earth than can be conceived in man’s philosophy’ which incidentally is a mis-quote of Shakespeare. Profound also, I think.

        Keep up the good work, we’ll keep up the good vibes.

  8. Dear David,

    thank you for a wonderful film. I have followed your work since ‘Dangerous Knowledge’ (even bought the DVD). I knew from your previous film about waves that what would be shown would not be just a dry scientific exploration but something lyrical, poetic and deeply personal. When the underlying reason for the film became clear it struck such a cord with me as I have been, and still am, in a similar situation. Both in the sense of watching my wife suffer from this terrible illness, and its associated effects upon my son and I, and the fact that previous to this illness I too inhabited the secure, safe world of reason. I have had to start listening more to my heart (and gut – perhaps the next film?!) and less to my cold rational reason and associated doctors, shrinks, relatives and well meaning outsiders asking “What has she got to be sad about?” etc etc etc. This course of action helps and makes me less hard on myself and, at times, deal with the frustration I have with the whole situation. It’s not much. But right now it’s all I’ve got and your film made me feel less alone when it’s one of those ‘bad days’ and appreciate more the ‘good days’. Sorry for rambling on. I think that’s all I have to say right now. Still processing my thoughts on the film, as you probably can tell. Many thanks again.

  9. David, thank you for your work and your raw honesty. Deeply beautiful, inspiring and helpful. I appreciate what you said about compassion and how you were able to illustrate the symbiosis of thought and feeling.

  10. Watched Heart vs Mind tonight and thought it excellent and informative. I wish we had more intelligent TV such as this.

    1. So do I. We are the last minority. The thoughtful minority. And I’m not even sure if we are a minority. There may be more of us than anyone suspects.

  11. What a wonderful programme. Such a gem to come across. I must admit I haven’t heard of you before, but I will definitely seek out more of your work. Thank you.

  12. Thank you for making such a beautiful and important film. The obsession with controlling our thoughts is so simplistic and means that so many people with depression receive inadequate treatment which does not even begin to address what they are experiencing. The lonliness and isolation this leads to is hard to describe. I know that it will take years to break through the established thinking but I know that this film will contribute so much and feel that ultimately many people will benefit from this in time. Emotional pain cant be rationalised away any more than physical pain can be. We have lost sight of our basic human nature. You reminded us.

  13. Abdalhaqq Bewley

    Your film is a truly seminal contribution to contemporary discourse, offering a potentially world changing perspective on the nature of human experience, albeit one that has been known about since the beginning of the human story! Thank you for it and I hope it receives the recognition it deserves.

    1. Thank you. There are so many other perspective out there. It’s just that the Main Stream Media do not often give them any space. They seem to largely prefer the dualism of accepted wisdon and freak-show titilation.

      Thanks again.

  14. David,

    That film was beautiful – I was holding back tears for quite a bit of it. My girlfriend was depressed for a long time and there were moments where even the cracks only showed darkness and let in just the rain, but she is better now, better and stronger for it – I wish you and your family the best. From all of my heart.

    Also, thought I’d mention this paper, as it might be of interest: “Your heart makes my heart move: Cues of social connectedness cause shared emotions and physiological states among strangers” – http://www.stanford.edu/~gwalton/home/Publications_files/CwirCarrWaltonSpencer_2011.pdf

    Also, very glad to see Iain McGilchrist on the video, I interviewed Iain recently for an article and his message really inspired readers. DOn’t worry, I won’t spam your blog with it 🙂

    Best,
    FallingLeaf

    1. Thank you Falling Leaf.

      I had not come acrioss this paper. I will now look at it. As for Iain, he’s someone I have known for a decade or so. I would be interested to hear about your interview with him. By all means post a link if you would like to.

      1. Thanks, David, I’ve also recommended the program to someone training as a doctor, I think it’ll benefit her immensely, you really fuse the two languages (cultures?) together and allow them to speak to each other.

        Thanks for being curious about the interview with Iain, it’s a long piece, so please feel no obligation about reading or commenting on it, but thanks in advance if you do!: http://www.berfrois.com/2012/06/bharat-azad-meets-iain-mcgilchrist/

        Also, on Turing, I’ve always wanted to find out to what degree his fascination with the survival of the human soul after death motivated his work on the computer. I hadn’t contemplated the connection with Wittgenstein in any depth, would love to hear more about it when you feel you’re able.

        Thanks again, David!

  15. I watched this with my 11 year old son, we really enjoyed it.

    We are fearful and mistrusting of emmotions,not seeing it as a necessary touchstone to our health and wellbeing. I was really impressed by the honesty and reflexivity of this piece of documentary. I too have been through an ” emmotional storm” ,suffering personal loss and even after 6-7 year there is still an emptiness and pain .I have come to accept that maybe they are a constant and necessary reminder of how great it is to be alive and to live fully. I am a different person as a result of this vicarious experience,more sensitive, compassionate and see things more as a whole ie become more humane . I do wish you well David .

    1. It was my greatest worry with this film that speaking about Sara would come across badly or as self serving. I fretted from the day I spoke untill I started to receive the kind comments and emails last night.

      Sara and I have three sons. I suspect that for you, as for me, their happiness is what underpins my own.

      Thank you for your kind wishes.

      If good wishes mean anything, then I wish you and your son a return to happiness.

      1. David,

        I think who we are is a summation of our experiences good and bad.I don’t think you need to worry about the film and sharing your personal insight it added something more then just a journalistic documentary.

        Mental illness is still a social stigma ,it robs , the sufferer and also the family. When something changes it is a bereavement, an adjustment takes time.I lost my beautiful kind gentle husband through mental illness.

        Study ,therapy,meditation, being busy does not make a difference- I still think of him and that is Ok. I see him in my son I recognise his qualities in me , he left an imprint for which I am grateful.

        There are significant events that change your life course and give you purpose , wisdom and grace. Being brave enough to search deep within yourself takes great courage most people want to close the door and carry on and not process it.

        You write and make films with intelligence and sensitivity -keep going.

  16. backwardsevolution

    David – gosh, I wish I could have seen your program. I’m sure it was wonderful. This world we live in, the treadmill everyone is on, the competition, the growth at any cost, the constant stresses, the materialism – I don’t think man was meant to live like this. Really, without the heart, the connections, what the heck is left?

    From my reading, I believe you can only rely on your heart to guide you when you REALLY KNOW WHO YOU ARE, what your values are, what you want, the types of people you admire (which naturally, if you get this far, leads to compassion), otherwise you end up using your mind, listening to everyone else, doing what others or society think you should do, and going everywhere you shouldn’t be.

    I’m glad to hear from the comments above that your show was a success. Good for you, David!

    From The Little Prince:

    “It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.”

    1. backwardsevolution,

      What a wonderful quote! I read The Little Prince so long ago I had completely forgotten. I must re-read it. Perhaps we will read it together – the boys and me.

  17. Lucas O Murchu

    Stayed up late to watch your film David. ( I’m gonna pay for it in the morning ) (Yawn)
    It was worth it though.
    Great film. Very thought-provoking!
    I loved the various quotes from different philosophers and so forth.
    “The heart has it’s reasons, of which reason knows nothing” 🙂
    Thanks David. All the best!

  18. Hi, David. Watched during night. Was very moved by the direction of your narrative.
    (.. Wittgenstein was nearby at its close, too! ).
    Congratulations to you and your team.
    Know your documentary, “Dangerous Minds”. Deeply moving, again. Shall check “Debt Generation” this wk. Much of the tragedian is behind these. About time. Thank you.
    J.

    * “My head often knows nothing of what my hand is writing” (Wittgenstein, “Culture & Value” 17e)

    1. Hello John,

      Another great quote. So very, very accurate.

      Next time we make a film I am going to ave myself time and just ask you lot for the best quotes.

      Wittenstein (late Mr W not early) is a fixed int on the landscape. The connection between Mr W and Alan Turing is one I have wanted to explore.

  19. Fascinating and deeply moving stuff… Good on you for having the courage to tackle a fundamental question like this with such raw (and painful) honesty. Your poetic sense of things certainly strikes a chord with my own experiences of love and loss. Have linked to it on my Facebook page and encouraged friends to watch. Hopefully a few will! Best wishes.

    1. Thank you. ialways wonder how some people think it is possible to live a life devoid of poetry. Not just the written stuff but the sense of sideways links and resonances and the richness of implicit meaings.

      Glad you liked the film.

  20. A truly heartfelt thank you! Watched your film last night – brought tears and joy. It is such a relief to know that I am not alone – in feeling other people’s emotional pain. The heart has been suppressed by rationality/reasoning for far too long – It is great to know there are phiolosophical scientists out there. More films of this kind please, or a convention to bring like hearts and minds together.
    I hope both you and your wife find emotional peace.

  21. At last a film that expresses the extraordinary beautiful connection betwixt heart and mind.
    You are bringing into the mainstream a more fully human approach and exploration of what it is that constitutes our humanity. From my heart to yours, thank you.

  22. Heart and mind, Science and art, rational and the emotinal, the implicit and the explicit, the thought and teh felt.

    All of them, surely, false dichotomies.

    1. No separation. So false, definitely, how else to convey to rational materialistic mind. There is no storm without the calm, isn’t it paradoxical that we come to know our heart often through the most painful experiences in our lives. At those moments when we are bought to our knees, the illusion of control falters, it is as if the heart finally finds it’s way to us, and it’s whispering…welcome home. Peace.

    2. On dichotomies I love this from the maverick 2nd Century philosopher Nagarjuna:

      In seeing things
      To be or not to be
      Fools fail to see
      A world at ease.

  23. Like all the posts above a big thank you
    for creating this informative piece.
    Unfortunately i couldn’t convince my wife to
    stay and watch it with me, which is a shame
    as it got better and better as it progressed.

    I came away from watching this with a slightly
    different take from most, as i could help but think
    of Dick Cheney.

    Mr Cheney is one of thousands of people who benefit from LVADs –
    implanted mechanical pumps that take the stress away from failing hearts

    Dick Cheney has technically no pulse for years on end, could this explain something
    About his character?
    Could some study be done from the people who “benefit or perhaps don’t benefit” from
    LVADs

  24. David,

    I found myself in tears throughout your beautiful programme last night. Not tears of sadness, I’ve had enough of those this year, no these were tears of compassion for you and the sadness you shared with us. Usually, being somewhat squeamish, I would have turned off at the first glimpse of an operating theatre but I stayed and was transfixed by the beauty of the heart and of your words, the gentle pace as the film unfolded and the extraordinary science you were introducing us to. And thank you for the final words from Keats – I was hoping you’d get to these. I went to bed feeling considerably more hopeful about the future than I’ve felt for a while so thank you. I can only hope that things are bearable in your life, that you have the strength to be who you want to be, all the time.

  25. thanks – felt by the (my) heart; endorsed by the (my) mind – to you david and all others like you on here

  26. Thankyou David for your beautiful and moving film. As I am very ‘ sensitive’at the moment -due to a breakup after a 12yr relationship I sometimes berate myself for feeling too much !my heart actually hurts! It is so physical. Your programme allowed me to see how natural and human this is.I too wish you and your family a return to happiness.

  27. I have never felt the need to write about programmes before, even though I have watched some great documentaries. Your Heart v Mind last night truly moved me, especially as I was expecting a very scientifc programme and only decided to watch at the last minute. It seemed to me a very personal quest that you undertook and, your obvious pain in talking briefly about your wife’s illness, clarified this. Depression, the still unspoken, little understood illness which really does “take away” the person sufferring from it; even if and when they recover, they are never the same again. I hope you and your wife, find, found, some peace.

    I want my heart to rule my head but emotions are such powerful tools which too often I cannot control. I will never think of my heart as a mere pump. Intellect versus emotions? There is a place for both, but surely it is the heart which makes us human and, hopefully, humane. Thank you for such a fascinating programme.

  28. Dear David,

    I have just finished watching ‘Hearts versus Minds’ and wanted to congratulate you on an inspiring, moving and wonderfully informative programme. It really warms my heart to know such forward-thinking programmes can make it on to mainstream TV.

    I wonder if you came across the Institute of HeartMath in your research for the programme (http://www.heartmath.org)? If not you may like to check out their research and perhaps this page in particular: http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html for lots of fantastic information on how the brain and heart communicate.

    I wish you and your family all the very best. And now I will definitely be checking out your other documentaries!

  29. David

    I managed to persuade my partner Soo to journey with me, through your travels within the heart – she being somewhat documentary averse. Her comment when the journey ended was – ” Well, that certainly came from his heart “.

    Another edition to your wonderful explorations of human experience. Taken as an anthology I think they are special because they always manage to instil into what could simply be a stale collection of dry facts with a sense of wonder & empathy. Your obvious empathy for Turings suffering especially, turned him for me from a mere on paper genius, into a real human being.

    It seems to me that collectively, the human race has to also unfortunately go through terrible periods of shock in order to progress. The eternal battle that occurs when those who consider, or act as though they possess nothing more than a mechanical pump get the upper hand & due to the limitations of their piece of machinery, screw things up big time.

    I empathise with your tragedy & wish you & yours joy, it is obvious you have a certain place which will readily receive it..

    1. David,
      Watched program last night.Found it fascinating.Kept thinking of McGilchrist’s book, The Master and his Emissary.Am writing book about Wittgenstein who was dealing with same issues in his life as expressed in Tractatus(left brain)and Philosophical Investigations(right brain). Watched your documentary on Cantor etc have known several people who went crazy in like manner.
      Worked with Douglas Harding(do you know of his work??).Work as Psychotherapist and Craniosacral Therapist.Would like to have a pint with you some time!.
      Thank you for your wonderful work.I’m a fan.
      Hymie.

  30. Just to say that having watched your programme on iplayer as recommended by my partner, I found it one of the most necessary and thought provoking pieces in recent years. Having suffered from mental health issues and now working in the field, as well as going through the tumult of relationship issues that occur in all people’s lives, this debate rings very true IN MY HEART. I am also an actor, and find that art and literature can often express more than rationale and in almost all cases, this comes from a profound connection with the heart that encompasses all cultures, creeds and races. Having also taken a shift from religious to militant atheist, I am now beginning to reconnect with my spiritual side and reopen the channel to the heart that sets up the healthy balance you concluded with, between the head and the heart. In some ways, I call this the ‘thawing out’ of my heart, seemingly frozen by rigid rationality. I loved the fact that science, art and philosophy were intertwined in such a healthy balance in your film. It is good to see that science is beginning to prove the importance of the heart in human emotion, compassion and existence. It appeals to both my rational and emotional tendencies. My partner and I are both rediscovering this head/heart connection and, at times, conflict; and are beginning to use these terms in daily life and communication with each other. The heart is a great untapped scientific issue, full of inate intelligence and electrical impulse. I firmly believe that for true societal advancement, the heart needs to be at the forefront and it’s great to see this truthful ideal beginning to be elevated into the mainstream consciousness. I am very interested in your earlier films, especially “soul searching” and “voices in my head”. In fact, all your previous work looks like food for mind, body and soul! Is there anywhere you can advise being able to watch these and/or purchase them? Thanks once again for an inspiring and nourishing film.

  31. Congratulations on the best documentary I have seen on the BBC. Very moving, great quotes and amazing people.

    8 years ago I asked the question, who am I? The little brain; do you think it may be connected to the observer consciousness one finds in meditation and similar things? Or a more natural deeper sense of self, the part of us that is always there? Reconnecting to that part of me is what has driven my recovery from a suicidal depression.

    (I share that path in a signposting DIY form in my book, D drop me an email, I will gladly send it to you; it may enhance your resilience)

  32. Dear David,

    “We live in danger of coming apart” (Mrs Woolf). Chanced to see your programme, ‘Hearts v’s Heads’, the best discussion topic there is I think. Anyway, utterly compelling and fascinating and moving and all the rest. Will now find out about other stuff you’ve immersed yourself in. A mind is sick and the heart aches, yes, it always will and perhaps we will never know exactly why……..that is how it is. Be hopeful, Tamsin, x

  33. Dear All,

    I am sorry I have not replied to the more recent kind comments. I am rushing to finish a large piece of carpentry in time for our eldest son’s birthday.

    Nearly there. Then I will write back to all those I have not replied to so far.

    But if a collective thank you will tide you over, then “Thank You!”

  34. Hello David,

    I’ve been quietly following your blog for a year or so but after stumbling onto Heart vs Mind on iplayer I finally could put a man to the name. Your film is beautiful, as are your children! I felt my heart swell with compassion at your heart ache, one soul responding to the pain of another. Truly this is our humanity. May God bless you and your family.

    A

  35. Dear David,

    I just wanted to echo the very generous and thoughtful comments made by others above. I thought your programme was excellent, moving and really brave in the way you were willing to share your personal difficulties with us. Though I’ve spent the most part of my life in academia, where the cultivation of an objective, neutral and dispassionate disposition has always been a kind of unstated aim of scholarly practice, I have intuitively felt that emotions and feelings have a major part to play in the workings of reason and intellect. So much of what you say in the film really resonated with me, and I hope it not too hyperbolic to say liberating. Certainly I felt there was a political subtext to your film, which emerged at the end. So many thanks and congratulations!

    If you have time and inclination, I’d love to hear more about what you’re plans are as its something of a fascination- personally and vocationally. My own research into the history of emotions looks at the role of emotions and feeling in political activism and intellectual practice. So much of political activity and organisation has been so neglectful of the importance of emotions and their role in sustaining and hampering action, and how a balanced emotional life is crucial for imagining and creating a better, more just and equal world.

    Best wishes,
    Ian.

  36. David, great film. I’m reading a book at the moment I think you’d find very interesting. It’s called ‘Thinking, Fast and Slow’ by Daniel Kahneman.

  37. Hi David
    Great Documentary like all the others, I was lucky to stumble on Soul Searching on TV when I was at University and it had a profound effect on me and have followed your work ever since.

    I have some rambling thoughts that were brought up(from my heart to my brain?)
    by your film so if you will indulge me I hope you find these interesting (internally resting?).
    They are all religious in nature but there is only one place where you will find the heart taken seriously and that is ancient culture.

    You talked about sayings about the heart that have now lost real significance.
    One saying I think is telling is “Mind Body and Soul”
    As if mind/brain/logic/rationality was first then body then soul at the end,
    that is our levels of being.
    Traditionally the order was Spirit Soul and Body or Heart Brain Body in this order rationality is second to Spirit/Heart or Intellectus/intellect.
    You hinted at this talking about the heart having its own neurons.
    I connect the breakdown of this view of our inner hierarchy with the breakdown of outer hierarchy in society with the center of influence going from the Churchs and temples to the town hall and labs to the marketplace over time.
    Wasnt the financial crisis partly caused by deregulation, a lack of hierarchy beyond the morals of the market.
    Intellect to Rationality to Will.

    Another saying is to “break the ice” when meeting someone refers to the ice of the heart
    I know when im inspired I feel a heat in my heart
    “this is fervour, confident and charitable faith; it is the melting of the heart in the divine warmth, its opening to Mercy, to essential Life, to infinite Love.”
    – pg 150 Stations of Wisdom – Frithjof Schuon

    One last quote that expresses these things far better than me

    “The spiritual life has been described as the “interiorization of the outward” and the “exteriorization of the inward”. Education is an aspect of the latter process; the very etymology of the word (e-ducare, “to lead out”) is an indication of this,
    As a “leading-out”, education is a rendering explicit of the immanent Intellect (Intellectus or Nous), the seat of which, symbolically is the Heart. As Frithjof Schuon has said more than once; “The Intellect can know everything that is knowable.”
    This is because “heart knowledge” is innate, and thus already fully present within us, in a state of virtuality. This virtuality has to be realised, and this realization is education. This corresponds to the Platonic doctrine of “recollection” (anamnesis), which in the last analysis is the “remembrance of God” (memoria Dei).
    “The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.””
    – Remembering in a World of Forgetting: Thoughts on Tradition and Postmodernism
    – William Stoddart

    You talked about what makes the heart great it its capacity to make us compassionate.
    I think it does this because we are not seperate in reaity we are united somehow and the heart is telling us that.

    Hope that was food for thought and not boredom
    Thank You for your great work
    Dan

  38. Dear David

    I saw this programme this evening, I am a firm believer there is a connection between the head and the heart. There is evidence to suggest that the power and connection of the mind and heart is far bigger than most people realise. Have a look at the work of Jedda Mali on consciousness and the global coherence network.

    I saw an experiment with a volunteer listening to white noise wired to a monitor that measure brain waves and heart rate of heart pump, we watch the 2 traces moving on the monitor.

    The room was asked to think and send loving thoughts to her, Instantly the two traces moved towards convergence. It was shocking demonstration of the power of combined thought.

    http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/about.html

    It all points to the idea that we are greater that the flesh and bone we inhabit.

    Thanks for a great programme.

    Blessings

    Paul Harvey

  39. David – enjoyed your programme but have to disagree with your premise – every child is born with emotions which through time and the chance of nurture develop into reasons; which again through chance and nurture have either to suffer the infinite challenge of development or opt for the sterile womb of apathy.

    That said, there’s no doubt values such as compassion are the traits which make the individual greater than the sum of their parts. I’m sure you have enough of that resource in order to meet your families requirements.

  40. I think that your programme is facinating and infruiating for what it leaves out rather than for what you actually say. Maybe working as a psychotherapist I have to deal day in and day out with practical steps to resolve some of the issues you discuss.

    I would love to have the discussion with you about nuch influence / control we have have with talking and thinking.

    I’ve written more here:http://lifetidetraining.net/blog/?p=39

  41. David
    I watched the programme, I found it really interesting, really well made and a very honest snapshot of a very personal part of your life? As Martin suggests you could have gone into the psychology of it all, taken it deeper as such but I think that he has actually missed what the programme was about for you and you reason for not going down that route? Sometimes what you don’t say invokes more thought than what you do and I think you have touched a lot of hearts and opened a lot of minds on your journey.
    Typically another excellent piece from you, please keep up the great work.

  42. Thank you for Heart v Mind: What makes us human?

    Been a big fan of your documentaries since seeing The Secret Lives of Waves.

    I love the thoughtful & original take you give to your subjects.

    Concerning Heart, I wondered if you’ve heard of Jill Bolte-Taylor? She’s a neuroanotomist who, aged 37, had a serious stroke. Her book about it is called My Stoke of Insight. The interest for heart/mind, is that she too concluded (her rational left brain hemisphere closed down during the stroke) that we are feeling creatures with rational thoughts, not rational creatures with feelings. She is featured on YouTube talking to a Ted conference.

    If you’ve not heard of her, really, I’m sure you’ll be interested in her experience, as she witnessed (& retells) how her left brain functions close down, and then had to regain their functions over 8 yrs. But her heart, in neuroscience speak, her right brain, remained functioning all the way through, giving her a whole new perspective on what it is to be a human being.

    Lastly, I want to suggest a future subject for a documentary – water. I reckon that in your hands it’s wider significance for all life from a science POV, but also in religious, cultural & philosophical thought & metaphors, would be v thought provoking. Similar to your take on waves. It’s something I’ve been pondering about for years, though I’ve not yet put down on paper.

  43. Thank you for such a beautiful documentary. I was moved by it.
    It seems to me the heart is an aggregated version of the nucleus of every cell in our body. Inside that nucleus in every cell is the DNA that makes us ,us. Put a foreign organ into our body and the body says, out with it. Every cell has a “skin”. The borders that define it. Like a family, or a community, or a nation. There is an informational core that defines it. The body regards this as sacred. From this history follows. And temples.
    When a doctor touches you with cold fingers, your body instinctively recoils. I think there is something in us that “understands” love on a cellular level. Something we have in common with protozoa. I think life and consciousness go down that deep. I think our religious and poetic instincts go that deep. What a neat idea to explore. Thank you David. I think all your films are tinged with some deep poetic understanding of this.

  44. Hi Golem – Unfortunately I missed your documentary and was too late to catch it on the i-player. Is there anywhere else I can see it, or is it going to be repeated?

      1. Paulie – Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to see this wonderful thought provoking film.

        Golem – Your film has given me a whole new insight into how the heart and mind work together. Very well made and beautifully presented. I am so glad I did eventually get to see your film. I have saved it to my favoutites and will definately watch it again.

        Thank you once again.

  45. backwardsevolution

    Paulie – thanks so much for providing the link.

    David – you’ve done a beautiful piece of work here. I like the “weighing of the heart”, how the ancient Egyptians believed that a person would only pass into the afterlife if their heart balanced against the feather of truth.

    I also thought the heart’s little brain (the neurons in the heart) working in concert with the brain was absolutely fascinating. It’s as if the brain takes in the information, but the heart is the barometer (the truth sensor).

    Well done!

  46. Paulie – thank you very much for the link. I too am in Ireland and really wanted to see it.

    David – thank you for giving me hope that this age of “greed is good” may be merely a passing phase. We could not have got here if we did not have an inate care for each other.

    1. Cheers Pat.

      Sorry for not being around. Things were difficult for a while there. Then filming has kept me busy. I will be back again from next week and really hope to get back to writing.

      Thanks for putting up with the silences.

  47. Good to see you back, David. It was a nice surprise seeing you again in The Secret Life of Waves last night on BBC 4, it’s a delightful film.

    1. Hello goregeous cleo,

      I will be back properly next week. I am about to leave again for another few days filming.

      But I do hope to get back properly to writing regularly from next week.

      I did have something to write today but chores ate up all my time.

  48. Hello Golem XIV ? David ?

    Perhaps some food for thought ?
    I don’t really understand why Heart VERSUS mind is less obscure than Hearts and Minds ?
    To me, there is a world of difference between “and” and “or”.
    One of the greatest problems facing our civilization at this time is being able to get together.
    The word “and” sticks concepts, things, and people TOGETHER.
    The word “or” ?
    It EXCLUDES and separates.
    Some people tell me that I am a cold, heartless, overly rational nitpicker for picking up on stuff like this.
    But… I manage to get rather passionate about it, so I don’t understand why they say this..
    Hearts AND minds, David.
    At this time, I don’t think we will survive if we don’t manage to find new ways to get them both TOGETHER.
    One of the ways we can get things together again is simply by.. using the word “and”.
    COULD WE GET THE EFFECTS OF A REVOLUTION BY DOING SOMETHING SO SIMPLE ?
    I think so, David ; I think so…
    I believe that we are very determined by our language, and that it is not a simple… TOOL that we MASTER, as we would so desperately love to believe.
    What or who motivated you to change a title which, to me, moves us forward on a road of healing, to one which keeps us… stuck in our current quagmire ?
    Good luck.

    1. Of Hearts and Minds was our titie. It was not our choice to change it.

      Sadly those who pay – the channel – have the legal power to insist on a title of their choice. They decided on Heart v Mind. I spoke against but….

  49. I do hope you manage to get back to writing David. I know it is a lot of time and effort but your thoughts are very much valued. I know that I’ve missed you… no pressure then.

  50. With David busy I thought I’d purloin another worthy article from Ian Bell.

    Not entirely topical to the essence of David’s post but possibly something that has exercised all our heats and minds in the recent past and foreseeable future.

    Five years on, do we have power to tame the banks?

    Ian Bell
    Columnist

    Five years ago, your chances of meeting anyone with a working knowledge of the London interbank offered rate were slim.

    Sub-prime, unless it counted as an arcane reference to second-rate meat products, had not entered the language. Credit default swaps – though this probably counted as prescient – were a mystery to all.

    Money laundering was the province of movie villains. Bonuses, for most, were a bob or two granted to the lucky few at Christmas. The payment protection insurance (PPI) on your credit card or loan meant – didn’t it? – exactly what it said. Quantitive easing was probably something best discussed with a doctor. Credit flowed, it did not crunch, and the euro was the future.

    Last week, stuck in a car, I heard Radio Four’s World At One. One topic under discussion was the so-called packaged bank account, the kind you pay for in exchange for certain “products”. Martha Kearney hadn’t been talking for long before the same old thought arose: here we go again.

    Some ten million people have these accounts, paying up to £25 a month for the privilege. In return, they get – so they hope – travel insurance, mobile phone insurance, and other bargains. They get these things, that is, if the bank sales person chasing a bonus remembers to mention that some individuals are excluded from travel insurance on the grounds of age or a pre-existing conditions, or points out that the phone has to be registered within 28 days.

    If not, the insurance is worthless. If not, the industry that was supposed to learn all sorts of “lessons” over PPI has been at it again. The Financial Services Authority (FSA) has been leaning towards that conclusion and intends to oblige banks to contact affected customers. Yet again, the Financial Ombudsman Service is bracing itself for a flood of complaints.

    What was striking about the radio discussion, however, was the language. Neither the representative from the FSA, nor the man from the ombudsman service, was in much doubt about what has been going on, but each was miserly with his words. Kearney meanwhile mentioned the bonuses available to the banks’ reps and asked whether these were an incentive to “hoodwink” customers.

    Hoodwink? And this of the industry that “mis-sold” PPI? This of the banks accused by a stern FSA of “serious failings” in sticking small businesses with punitively expensive interest rate swaps? In the wake of the review of Libor by Martin Wheatley, managing director of the FSA, it has even been suggested that attempts to rig the benchmark mechanism should be treated as – pass the smelling salts – a crime. Imagine that.

    In August five years ago, banking’s facade began to crack. In France, BNP Paribas ran into deep trouble because of its involvement in bonds based on the American sub-prime mortgage market. Around the world, lending between banks, many of them similarly afflicted, began to dry up. In Britain, Northern Rock’s merry habit of borrowing wholesale in order to throw loans at customers duly ended in crisis and collapse. Global banking approached the brink of catastrophe.

    We bailed them out, of course. Remember that each time George Osborne returns to his lecture on Britain’s debts. One way or another, we are short of a £1 trillion, or thereabouts, thanks to the banks. That should have led to recriminations, perhaps even to court appearances, but it turned out to be a mere preface to the full story. That tale is more serious even than our abiding fears over the length and depth of Britain’s recession.

    This week, the consumer magazine Which? produced a survey on public attitudes towards banking. Have your feather ready, and prepare to be knocked over. Is it surprising that 71% of people believe banks have failed to learn the lessons of the past five years, or astonishing that 29% have yet to reach that conclusion? Is it amazing that three out of four of those surveyed think a parliamentary inquiry into banking ethics will make not a blind bit of difference, or staggering that 26% are still optimistic?

    You can begin at any point in the narrative and arrive at the same judgment. By one estimate, the ring involved in Libor rigging deprived customers globally of $1.5trn over a period of years by misrepresenting the value of contracts and the strength of banks. At the last count, meanwhile, 10 international banks had been caught and fined for cleaning up dirty money.

    Standard Chartered denies absolutely that it laundered $250bn for Iran: that’s for the record. But JP Morgan has coughed up $88m for offences that are not in doubt; the Dutch bank ING has paid $619m; Barclays has settled for $176m; Lloyds TSB for $350m. Being helpful to Iran cost Credit Suisse $536m for “egregious violations”. HSBC has meanwhile admitted laundering $16bn in cash from Mexico, cash alleged to have come from drugs cartels.

    This is before the usual suspects follow Barclays into the dock over Libor, an escapade that has cost that bank small change to the tune of £290m. This is before the final bills are totted up for mis-selling, a game that has already cost RBS £310m. This is before anyone even attempts to work out how much the banks have filched through wholesale tax avoidance and bonuses.

    Meanwhile, the Bank of England tab for quantitive easing – the money is not actually fictional – runs to £375bn. Little of that has reached the real economy to which the banks are reluctant to lend, despite every solemn promise.

    These are just snapshots from the past five years. Some big headlines have already been forgotten – did that minnow Northern Rock really cost us £24bn? – as the political appetite for reform has faded. We are still supposed to talk of customers “hoodwinked”, of products “mis-sold”, “mistakes” made and “failings” regretted. Yet in any other context banking’s record over the past five years would be described as a criminal conspiracy exposed.

    You can take your pick: a pensioner ripped off for PPI, or a soldier dying thanks to explosives bought with laundered dollars. Nor is that notion melodramatic. Contrary to their delusions, banks operate in the real world, where money makes things happen. In five years we have learned how reality has been shaped by banking’s masters of the universe, and learned how fragile that reality has become.

    They interpret the fact as a mark of their enduring power. They might be right. No matter how often crookedness is exposed, the self-evident truth is that the world depends on its banking systems. If anything, the past five years have rammed the lesson home.

    Only one detail is overlooked: this is no way to run a planet. Each of the offences listed above has done damage to the economy and to ordinary lives. In some cases, as in the interest protection scam inflicted on small businesses, that was, explicitly, the idea. In another, distant part of the global zoo, meanwhile, Iran’s nuclear ambitions prosper thanks to freshly laundered dollars.

    For democracies, it comes down to a test of strength. It is no longer a question of what should be done – there is no shortage of ideas – but of what can be done. Who’s really in charge?

    1. John

      This highlights the way that the banking sector is able to contort the very use of the English language. Rather than describe their conduct as “Fraud”, we are peddled words and phrases such as “mistakes”, “lapses of oversight”, “innappropriate conduct”, “disappointing behaviour”.

      We would be wise to learn from the Lilliputians:

      “They look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft, and therefore seldom fail to punish it with death; for they allege, that care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, may preserve a man’s goods from thieves, but honesty has no defence against superior cunning; and, since it is necessary that there should be a perpetual intercourse of buying and selling, and dealing upon credit, where fraud is permitted and connived at, or has no law to punish it, the honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage.”

  51. @ Hawkeye:

    Dr Swift, I presume?

    Nice quotation, Sir, and apropos indeed.

    A couple of reads if there is still anybody out there… (shame to see this place dying like this!)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9471018/Five-years-on-the-Great-Recession-is-turning-into-a-life-sentence.html

    AEP’s take on where we are now and for the theoreticians among us…

    http://www.bis.org/publ/work352.htm

    on Debt… when , why and how it can turn from economic enabler to millstone around neck.

  52. Stevie – But what about the $1.2 quadrillion of outstanding derivatives contracts that are still floating so dangerously around the global financial markets? How do you neutralize that?

    There’s the crunch and the coup de grace – derivative trading is a gamble that distorts the market and the real values of supply and demand for no other purpose than the manipulations of financial middlemen shamans.

    Nobody to my knowledge has ever done an analysis or audit on how much the derivative casino adds to the costs of real goods and services we all rely on?

    To my mind the obvious answer is to ban the speculation -if you don’t produce, store or supply you cannot trade in the market.

    As to the £1.2 quadrillion, tough -they haven’t paid for the stake with real cash, so write it off the books.

    1. Search me John, only passing on the link. Derivatives to me are like financial dark matter. Speaking of loads of cash that is supposedly there, this story was featured by Max Keiser, amongst others originally from Reuters. Strangely I couldn’t find it on the Reutrs site, but if true it is a good illustration of mark to myth & surely it doesn’t just apply to J P Morgan :

      http://maxkeiser.com/2012/08/12/pms-real-equity-position-just-34-billion-currently-184-billion-books-this-means-100-140-bn-market-cap-stock-price-gets-wiped-out-this-enron-again/

      All these derivative gigantic figures are very hard to grasp. The figures that are thrown around almost as if they are no big deal are really truly astounding. I used to think that the 14.6 billion in years for the age of the universe was an unimaginably large number, consider this – 5 trillion is roughly the age of the universe in days. More:

      http://www.ajtt.org/?p=720

      1. Stevie – myth to mark and myth to market – perhaps it is designed to create employment without product? A fantastical way to ‘earn’ a mythical corn – I can see no other rational explanation for its existence.

        Since 1985 I’ve tried in vain to make sense of the money game and failed miserably. Only since the meltdown of 2007 have I realised the logic I was searching for didn’t exist, only an assimilation of authority and purpose by gamblers to prop up their confidence tricks.

        As the man says – this is no way to run a planet.

  53. But why do we need banks anyway? No, really.

    Banks are useful for people who want to get into debt.
    They do not give any meaningful interest on savings.
    Since they, at the same time, “give” out mortgages based on a) an estimation of the clients creditworthiness, and based on “rates” that have been set by others of their kind, or tricked as in “Libor”, would it not be better for countries (Governments) to lend directly?
    If “assets” are deposited with them – they may use them in rehypothecation, or as their own cash (vaporized)
    Given bailouts or the posibility to borrow money at ridiculously low rates by sovereign states and “central Banks”, they then “lend” to Governements and sovereign states at higher rates.
    If you include “Central” Banking, they usurp the power of sovereign states to create their own money.

    Derivatives – Banking created paper trails.
    etc. (all those lovely “financial” methods that are “too difficult” to understand could be included here?)

    But you get the idea. Banks do an awful lot of things that were not considered part of their businesses. For the common of mortals, what they do could be done by other groups (ie shares – HST trading or “courtiers”).

    Plus they are facilitators of drug gangs and almost any other form of criminality. As well as being means of tax avoidance.
    Basically frauders on a large scale.

    What good do Banks do for ordinary – non-financial people? Instead of trying to find ways round the problem, or “patches” to fix a broken system – surely we need a completely NEW system.

    @John Souter. Just a small question about the 1.2 quadrillion of derivatives? So far I have heard of $21 trillion in European and US derivatives, and $32 trillion in world wide derivatives. I don’t doubt your figure, I no longer understand how big that is. US or UK quadrillions? Maybee we could just “do a Weimar” and express the quantity in “container-ship-fulls”?

  54. Shaun – to be honest I merely copied the amount claimed in Ian Fraser’s article and I assume a quadrillion follows the American trend of adding three noughts to a trillion, and yes, the figure claimed surprised me.

    I think the last figure I saw from the derivatives bank in Berne was around 735 trillion world wide – however the truth of the matter is no money in the real sense is involved so a container ship isn’t necessary for digits without even betting slips.

    1. John, – thanks for reply.

      Amazing what you find when you are not really looking. I was trying to find a visual, seen somewhile ago on zero hedge, using the terms “visual trillion” – (a graphic showing the number of lorries with containers that would be used to carry 1 trillion of dollars, to be divided with number of containers carried by one ship, etc. ok, I was trying NOT to do the work I should…)

      However, this came up.
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/verge-historic-inversion-shadow-banking

      Which makes interesting reading, as it shows that there has been a rapid decline in the shadow banking world (which is deposit-less), and inflation MUST reclaim attention in the US. (as in EU?)
      Two quotes below;

      1/ “What shadow banking has been for America is nothing short of an inflation buffer. Recall what the primary characteristic of shadow banking is: it performs all the traditional credit intermediation transformations that conventional banking entities do: Maturity, Credit and Liquidity.

      However, unlike traditional banks, shadow banking has one huge deficiency: it has no deposits! In other words, the entire rickety shadow banking system is based simply on the good faith and credit that rehypothecated assets, converted into liabilities, and so on (think repos and reverse repos) courtesy of fractional reserve credit formation (recall rehypothecation), are valid and credible sources of liquidity. While that may be the case in a leveraging environment, i.e., in the expansionary phase of the ponzi, it no longer works when systematically deleveraging, i.e., where we are now.”

      2/ “Said inflation buffer, however, is getting smaller and smaller every quarter, and at this rate, shadow banking as a transformational conduit will completely disappear in a few short years, at which point everything will be in the hands of fickle depositors.

      It is then, that America will finally figure out why Germany and the Bundesbank, are so leery of runaway printing. Because while the US still has the benefit of shadow liabilities, Europe does not. And Schauble, Merkel, and Weidmann, not to mention the German population (at least subconsciously) all know this.”

      There are various sums mentioned, but as you so rightly said – there is no money in the real sense, only “traditional” banking deposits have substance – and the lumps under the mattresses.

      The article does explain why “stimulii and bailouts” have no effect in the real world, and as shadow banking is based “simply on (the) good faith”….

  55. Hawkeye thanks for the Lilliputians view which seems most sane. Capitalism is cheated because of zombie banks. Stop the dead walking and we will thrive..

  56. Jim.M,

    it’s not dying, it’s just resting :). TPTB are keeping Golem busy to try to stop him exposing their sham systems.

    Perhaps Hawkeye could do one of his very excellent guest posts whilst Golem is indisposed.
    (not to put any pressure on you here Hawkeye but it was your top posts on the Beeb that brought me here in the first place :)).

    If someone suggests a subject/title then I am prepared to give a stab at writing an article (it probably wouldn’t be any good but it might provoke mild interest/outrage until the main player resumes his place centre stage).

  57. Do not under rate yourself Bob Rocket – your thoughts and feelings are as relevant as any other persons.

    I’m sure David, like most of us. has the usual difficulties of trying to balance the fight for the possible with the everyday demands and nuances of existence. From the little I know I doubt the profession he has chosen allows little scope for a fixed type of life schedule.

    In the meantime there’s plenty to comment on. From the bling of the Olympics, the Standard Chartered fiasco to the inhuman destruction of the UK welfare system by idealogical dinosaurs.

    it has been said -we live in an interesting time – this is true, but the interest is of a frightening nature and the changes its bringing are not in the direction we should be heading.

    We need a fundamental re-evaluation of our values and an irrevocable commitment to seeing these are met by the people we chose to represent us.

    Here is my take on the subject . ( I may have posted this before -I’m a bit lax with my index)

    The Gadarenes of Finance.

    “we are a people possessed
    like the madman of the Gadarenes
    our souls howl with contempt
    as greedy lips consume us
    our “democracy”
    silences the wise
    our “prosperity”
    impoverishes the meek
    our “freedom”
    imprisons the beloved
    devoured by the Legion.”

    Martin Gadaran.

    : The People Business.

    Intro.

    This exercise is about us. All of us, the Homo sapiens that dominate this planet we call earth and the world we manufacture in order to pass our time on it.

    As a species we are dominant. We have conquered land, sea and sky, beginning to probe into the universe and in most cases can choose either to decimate or manage every other species on earth from whale to virus – though the latter causes us the greater problems. Animal, vegetable or mineral we regard as resources dormant until we uncover their latent potentials, which are then ours to exploit.

    We are not unique in our exploitation. Viruses exploit anything that suits them in the animal and vegetable world, whales exploit the food of the oceans, plants the nutrients of sun, soil and rains, and minerals the geophysics created by change through the ages. However it is only our specie that can reason and understand these things. And even if we don’t understand, we know that there are others in our species that do and if the need arises, we can study their understanding and learn from them.

    Even in this team learning approach we are not unique, though other species may use the suckling bribe in order in order to establish its practice. Nor are we unique in our flaws, the propensity to kill or intimate anger or violence is used through most if not all of the species. Even our ability to reason is not unique; a dog learns tricks or performs duties because it associates it with – probably in some, to it, mysterious way – a duty or game pleasing to its master. That’s still reasoning.

    So in the natural sense we have no specifically unique qualities. We can’t dive like a whale, run at the speed of a cheetah or fly like a bird but by the development of our brain and its ability to construct abstract thought we can beat the abilities of the natural species in all these ventures. Now abstract thought isn’t inventiveness. Man didn’t invent fire; he witnessed it through some natural occurrence. Just as he noticed a round rock was easier to roll than a square one. The abstract was in seeing how both of these could be used to advantage.

    This was the time when Homo sapiens began to exploit his nature; the foundation of civilization and the gestation of the People Business.

    What won’t be included in this discourse are masses of dates, statistics, graphs or formula. Whether this genesis of abstract thought happened one hundred thousand, fifty or thirty thousand years ago is totally irrelevant.

    As is recorded history; which in itself is a product of abstract thought – perhaps a fairly advanced thought, since the need was seen to hold an account of the past in order to explain the present and to try and shape the future – but in essence its only a sophistication of folk lore, tribal squabbles, a record of animal movement and numbers and the time to reap and sow. And as a record of account in The People Business it has proved to be flawed through the abilities to apply the same abstract capabilities to its construction, interpretation and exploitation.

    So, dismissing all the yesterdays as irrelevant, how do we handle our day and hopefully our tomorrows, in what, by the sheer chance of birth, is the business we are thrust in to.

    I suppose the first thing we must recognise is that ‘The People Business’ has a hierarchy. A hierarchy created sometimes by the same chances awarded by birth, at others by the environment we find ourselves in and the values that environment regards as our potential usefulness as a resource in the business.

    Taking the above as a given surely we have to ask a question as to the purpose and objectives of this business that only death or imbecility (at times not even that) excuses us from participating in.

    But before we do we have to consider how we are capable of asking it. Nature created this earth and every form of life that’s ever been on it and, while we may be capable of exploiting the elements of nature we are a long way off, if ever, of being able to claim dominion over them. Nature is by its nature a dictator. Perhaps generally benign, avuncular, acquiescent it never the less has no care whether we as a species choose to continue to thrive on its planet or be wiped out by nature itself or by self destruction. This is the irrevocable ‘given’ without which the gestation of ‘T he People Business’ would never have been formed and must be the primary factor on which the scales of values and solvency of the business is measured.

    The role of Nature accepted, we then have to ask; whether in the affairs of humanity, any concept, system, practice or ideology which doesn’t improve the wellbeing, contentment, security and advancement of the majority of the species and its survival, has any claim to legitimacy or continuance by establishment or custom?

    If the answer is no – we have gazillions of problems to sort out.

    If the answer is yes – then life for most will continue to be a vale of tears waiting for a death date.

    While I believe the answer to the question as posed would result in an overwhelming majority of No’s over the Yes’s, it leads us to ponder on what we actually mean by concepts such as wellbeing, contentment, security, advancement and how we tie these in with the species survival.

    This is a problem that has exercised the minds of philosophers and thinkers throughout the ages. At the basic level they have divided it into two camps, called one Determinism, and the other Free Will. Again at the basic level Determinists maintain every happening in life or nature is preordained and humanity has no more control over its outcome than a rock can change into a horse; therefore humanity has no capacity for exercising or claiming the ability of true Free Will. We could call this the God camp.

    Advocates of Free Will argue; we have to have free will because we have the ability to make choices. That while we may feel anger enough to kill in some circumstance, we choose not to and choose instead to adopt reason and apply restraint.

    Throughout the ages these arguments have developed and formed sects then sub sects; some with a tentative toe in the other camp while others firmly straddle both while rejecting some of each, and so on. Candidly much of the argument is esoteric, often to the level of vanity, and could be summed up as an argument over whether a static ball bearing is downside up or upside down.

    Yet the paradox of this hypothesis is not only how little consideration we give to it in our daily lives, it is the scale in which we use it to form our values, morality and our place in society. To clarify, I’ll give you an example – Scientists generally consider themselves free thinkers. While that may well be a true and honest belief, much of their work as scientist is to un-cover and understand inherent qualities and potentials in whatever subject or substance they’re working on. Whether their work proves true or false or they trip over the discovery of the millennium is entirely determined by the inherent qualities that have always existed in that subject or substance. So as individuals they practice free will, or think they do; but in work they’re controlled and measured by determinism.

    Confused? Well aren’t we all, and that includes those who are devoting their lives to defining the solution. But take some heart, generally these people are looking for truth with no malicious intent or goal of global dominance; perhaps a little glory and personal comfort from a prize or two and again generally, they’re a pretty egalitarian lot who want to serve humanity.

    So in order to define the purpose(s) of The People Business we have to accept another irrevocable truth.

    a) God – is not an excuse.
    b) gods – are not an excuse.

    And beliefs are doubts that can only be truly dispelled by truths.

    So the question facing us today is whether the beliefs being thrust on us by the Gadarenes of finance and their armies of acolytes does improve or offer any legitimate purpose to the life of our species or is it merely an element of control engineered as bulwarks of beliefs against blindingly obvious, and eventually, irrevocable truths?

    Some time ago, in a forgotten article based on the financial meltdown and Browns stupid response to it, I posited the question – “Were governments acting as Human Resource Managers for the Global Conglomerates?”

    At the time I was advocating the Banks should be resourced in order to meet their retail and genuine business functions – but all other activities should be placed in moratorium until such time as these have been forensically analysed and a true value awarded.

    A few commentators agreed, but most got carried away on the lexicon of acronyms and the vanity of their ability, or belief, that they understood the complexities and labyrinthine formulas used in the alchemy’s of this most infinitely plastic of all commodities. In fact ‘plastic’ is too constricting – this commodity is the virtuoso of versatility. It can be used to buy or sell without ever having to be accounted for, it can lever its value up or down without ever having to produce a product or supply a service. Of late even the little it had to produce in order to prove its existence has been reduced to pieces of plastic for the minions or the production of digital zero digits for its acolytes – all together not a bad ‘miracle’ for these modern day Gadarenes to bring about.

    Unfortunately there are another couple of adjectives beginning with V that we have to apply: the miracle like the substance it’s based on is without virtue – both are in essence ‘virtual’ and who has ever been troubled by a ‘virtual’ conscience?

    The Gadarenes want to impose their virtual world on us, not because they believe it will lead to a better world – they know it won’t. But they slaver over the possibilities of global domination.

    How’s that for an ambition based on an armoury of smoke, mirrors and propaganda? And could it be done without the contrivance of our politicians and governments?

    (Extract from: The People Business.)

    John Souter
    30/09/11

  58. Nice.

    Ahh but… and you knew there were going to be “buts”…

    “Free will and determinism”. Both are dependent on the “person” being in some way able to decide (in which camp he/she belongs in). Good for an elite. Are they any good for us nowadays?

    Where then, does the present day situation stand, of some controlling others by media, manipulation and other mind bendings; and the others who are being controlled or guided, even against their will?

    We have a financial crooked elite, backed by the usual venal politicians and a warped media base. Who profess “free-will” but follow the manipulated markets for a quick buck. – Then we have the muppets and sheeple. Most of whom wear the uniform of blue jeans or bermudas (to show they are on holiday), and exercise their free will by buying. Sometimes we even have others who (really) have free will or those that believe that “all is written” (the minority).

    So, my “but” is ; that we give too much credence to the lordly sayings of the official twitterazzi (made up from paparazzi, but using “twit chatterers”), and not enough attention to the fact that the attention span of humanity is about equal to the chimps from which we came. That theories about conspiracies do not take into account that the majority of humanity are non-participants in their own future. BY DESIGN (by design of the corruptocracy)

    In other words, to reverse the present trends, it will take more than simply a few intelligent words – but more a sea-change in the education of humans.

    (The conclusion – which seems accurate, “The Gadarenes want to impose their virtual world on us, not because they believe it will lead to a better world – they know it won’t.
    – But for “they slaver over the possibilities of global domination,” I prefer the words “the possibilities of global slavery”.)

    1. Shaun of course there are ‘buts’, infinities of them and undoubtedly the biggest waste of those buts is when they are silenced by a fabricated apathy whether self induced or introduced by the spin masters.

      For me the benchmark is this para: “The role of Nature accepted, we then have to ask; whether in the affairs of humanity, any concept, system, practice or ideology which doesn’t improve the wellbeing, contentment, security and advancement of the majority of the species and its survival, has any claim to legitimacy or continuance by establishment or custom?

      This may at first glance read as a grand and challenging aspiration but, surprisingly the vast majority of us apply it to our everyday world in any number of ways.

  59. I’m more of a reader than a commenter and I’m still regularly popping back for two reasons. Firstly to see if there’s any new articles and secondly because this place has to have the best comments I’ve read. Insightful, thoughtful and backed up with lots of links to read. Props to the peeps!

  60. Really enjoyed the second documentary The secret life of waves, as an avid documentary watcher I thought I knew all there was to know about the oceans, just shows your never too old to learn.
    I didn’t reallise we lived so close either so if your ever over Northallerton way I’d like to meet for a chat and put an idea for a futher program that would be another eye opener 😉

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