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		By: andrew		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i would like to add something to what i wrote above about the use of the word &#034; crisis&#034; to describe debt ridden economies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What changed in autumn 2008  through Lehmans and Northern Rock and RBS etc failing, was that the mechanisms that banks and financial institutions use to generate profit for their traders became more transparent for the general public...&#038; what has changed this year is that western governments modus operandi - we&#039;re skint but if we borrow enough from each other we won&#039;t look skint - has become more transparent. So  the &#034; crisis&#034; is that  banks and institutions can&#039;t  anymore hide  from the public the corrupt mechanisms by which they profit at the expense of the public purse, and governments are no longer able to hide that they have gambled their nations wealth  - our money - on  those same mechanisms. It&#039;s not a &#034;crisis&#034; for any of the people writing on this website, only for those who are profiting from them ( us).  Frankly it&#039;s more of a huge relief than a crisis that some of these people are being forced to lie slightly less. Clearly it&#039;s not in the interest of media corporations to encourage truth telling, where do you think they get their kick backs from?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whats Lord Ashcroft doing anywhere near a government when he takes his money out of the country he seeks to represent?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a crisis, to call put up or shut up on a busted flush ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to add something to what i wrote above about the use of the word &quot; crisis&quot; to describe debt ridden economies.</p>
<p>What changed in autumn 2008  through Lehmans and Northern Rock and RBS etc failing, was that the mechanisms that banks and financial institutions use to generate profit for their traders became more transparent for the general public&#8230;&amp; what has changed this year is that western governments modus operandi &#8211; we&#39;re skint but if we borrow enough from each other we won&#39;t look skint &#8211; has become more transparent. So  the &quot; crisis&quot; is that  banks and institutions can&#39;t  anymore hide  from the public the corrupt mechanisms by which they profit at the expense of the public purse, and governments are no longer able to hide that they have gambled their nations wealth  &#8211; our money &#8211; on  those same mechanisms. It&#39;s not a &quot;crisis&quot; for any of the people writing on this website, only for those who are profiting from them ( us).  Frankly it&#39;s more of a huge relief than a crisis that some of these people are being forced to lie slightly less. Clearly it&#39;s not in the interest of media corporations to encourage truth telling, where do you think they get their kick backs from?</p>
<p>Whats Lord Ashcroft doing anywhere near a government when he takes his money out of the country he seeks to represent?</p>
<p>Is it a crisis, to call put up or shut up on a busted flush ?</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another interesting thing to mention is that the refusal of the mainstream media to discuss such uncomfortable issues isn&#039;t restricted to the present or the west.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There used to be an obnoxious but always fascinating satirical English language expat magazine published in Moscow called The Exile, (you can find its archives at www.exile.ru; they&#039;re where the now famous Matt Taibbi started and it&#039;s still well worth a browse if you have a strong stomach).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing about the magazine that really struck me was that they were apparently the ONLY Russian based publication to have predicted the late 90s Russian credit default the week before it happened.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Smart as the writers were, I very much doubt they were the only people to have considered such a thing so presumably the rest of the media didn&#039;t want to bring it up for fear of causing it / scaring the horses whereas they could get away with it because they were a small magazine in a foreign language (and didn&#039;t give much of a fuck anyway).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My point, (insofar as i actually have one) is that I suspect the mainstream media reluctance to bluntly address economic problems is (to use a programming analogy) more of a feature than a bug...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting thing to mention is that the refusal of the mainstream media to discuss such uncomfortable issues isn&#39;t restricted to the present or the west.  </p>
<p>There used to be an obnoxious but always fascinating satirical English language expat magazine published in Moscow called The Exile, (you can find its archives at <a href="http://www.exile.ru" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.exile.ru</a>; they&#39;re where the now famous Matt Taibbi started and it&#39;s still well worth a browse if you have a strong stomach).  </p>
<p>One thing about the magazine that really struck me was that they were apparently the ONLY Russian based publication to have predicted the late 90s Russian credit default the week before it happened.  </p>
<p>Smart as the writers were, I very much doubt they were the only people to have considered such a thing so presumably the rest of the media didn&#39;t want to bring it up for fear of causing it / scaring the horses whereas they could get away with it because they were a small magazine in a foreign language (and didn&#39;t give much of a fuck anyway).  </p>
<p>My point, (insofar as i actually have one) is that I suspect the mainstream media reluctance to bluntly address economic problems is (to use a programming analogy) more of a feature than a bug&#8230;</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dylan, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Great point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am greatly enjoying reading this discussion.  Thank you all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan, </p>
<p>Great point.</p>
<p>I am greatly enjoying reading this discussion.  Thank you all.</p>
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		By: Dylan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with you Golem and to extend the comparison, arent Associated Press and Reuters the rating agencies, the Moody&#039;s and Standard &#038; Poor&#039;s, of the Media?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both, and others, shaping how the market (read public) value and assess news. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There may be differences in media corespondents and different media houses, but they a small differences much like how different rating agencies assess companies and nations - all still support the grander edifice and do not critique it in any serious manner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Golem and to extend the comparison, arent Associated Press and Reuters the rating agencies, the Moody&#39;s and Standard &amp; Poor&#39;s, of the Media?</p>
<p>Both, and others, shaping how the market (read public) value and assess news. </p>
<p>There may be differences in media corespondents and different media houses, but they a small differences much like how different rating agencies assess companies and nations &#8211; all still support the grander edifice and do not critique it in any serious manner.</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I&#039;d quite agree.  Admittedly people like Anatole Kaletsky have been an utter disgrace, but other economics correspondents like Larry Elliot and Hamish McRae have consistently hinted at the worst case scenarios. But there&#039;s a very fine balance between reporting and expaining things and exacerbating them, (given the power of the media to influence the markets) and I think they&#039;ve done a difficult job reasonably well under the circumstances.  And there are plenty of gloomster commentators like Fergerson and Merryn Webb, the Alex strip in the Telegraph (which has probably had the best commentary of the crisis in the mainstream media), various articles in the FT or even Kunstler who have a pretty high profile.  The problem is of course that these articles are always tucked away in the financial pages which most readers don&#039;t bother with.  I think the root of the problem is how uninterested most people are in economic issues until it starts affecting them directly]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think I&#39;d quite agree.  Admittedly people like Anatole Kaletsky have been an utter disgrace, but other economics correspondents like Larry Elliot and Hamish McRae have consistently hinted at the worst case scenarios. But there&#39;s a very fine balance between reporting and expaining things and exacerbating them, (given the power of the media to influence the markets) and I think they&#39;ve done a difficult job reasonably well under the circumstances.  And there are plenty of gloomster commentators like Fergerson and Merryn Webb, the Alex strip in the Telegraph (which has probably had the best commentary of the crisis in the mainstream media), various articles in the FT or even Kunstler who have a pretty high profile.  The problem is of course that these articles are always tucked away in the financial pages which most readers don&#39;t bother with.  I think the root of the problem is how uninterested most people are in economic issues until it starts affecting them directly</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter above, uses the word &#034;crisis&#034;.&lt;br /&gt;Well, we&#039;ve had two years of  official acknowledgement running an economy based on borrowing as much or more than is being earned is maybe a bad idea.&lt;br /&gt;( if national borrowing  for industrialised countries is running at between 50 and 80%, add private borrowing to get past the 100% mark)&lt;br /&gt;Calling it a &#034;crisis&#034; is saying its a unique event rather than the inevitable outcome of  globalisation ( cheaper and cheaper labour / higher and higher living costs = more and more private borrowing) + economies based on endless growth ( more and more public borrowing) + deregulating/ decoupling the financial markets from the &#034; real &#034; economy to maximise market speculation ( profits of which rely on the value of something growing/shrinking  rather than being &#034; intrinsic&#034;)  ? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the 80&#039;s alot of found it cheaper to throw their crops away and be paid european subsidy than to sell them, because of trading regulations. This is part of the same &#034;crisis&#034;.&lt;br /&gt;Restrictive trading + public borrowing + free money to stop people complaining.  A mate of mine whose family were farmers declined to follow in his fathers footsteps and grow crops, instead he went into the city and traded into &#034;potato futures&#034; - he could make more money guessing the future price of spuds than by growing the spuds themselves. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How is that sustainable, that the leverage is worth more than the thing itself ?  Everyone has to be mortgaged up to the hilt to buy houses priced at double triple (or whatever) their actual value...is that a &#034; crisis&#034; ?  The prices were levered by the markets to benefit the markets.  &lt;br /&gt;How can it be called a crisis when its been international governmental policy for 30 odd years ? &lt;br /&gt;Even down to  currency itself....The Euro itself was and is an exercise in spread betting and risk dispersion.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;In NOV 2008, when Lehmans went down, Golem used an anlalogy....imagine the banks/ financial intitutions as a row of people on a sheet of ice roped together to an &#034;anvil of debt&#034;. One person falls through the ice. The obvious thing to do is cut the anvil free, to stop the other people being dragged down the same hole. Why don&#039;t they do this ? To mix at analogies, it&#039;s the monkey with it&#039;s hand in the jar....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;its not a crisis, as golem says,  it&#039;s one big big confidence trick ... if I had a quid for everytime someone working in finance has said to me &#034; you don&#039;t make money by being honest&#034;, I&#039;d be as rich as they are...ditto governments. They can&#039;t afford to be ethical. That&#039;s become a synonym for &#034; naive&#034;......&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until leverage is declared illegal , or % limits set, in international trade law, then its not a &#034;crisis&#034;, it&#039;s just business as usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter above, uses the word &quot;crisis&quot;.<br />Well, we&#39;ve had two years of  official acknowledgement running an economy based on borrowing as much or more than is being earned is maybe a bad idea.<br />( if national borrowing  for industrialised countries is running at between 50 and 80%, add private borrowing to get past the 100% mark)<br />Calling it a &quot;crisis&quot; is saying its a unique event rather than the inevitable outcome of  globalisation ( cheaper and cheaper labour / higher and higher living costs = more and more private borrowing) + economies based on endless growth ( more and more public borrowing) + deregulating/ decoupling the financial markets from the &quot; real &quot; economy to maximise market speculation ( profits of which rely on the value of something growing/shrinking  rather than being &quot; intrinsic&quot;)  ? </p>
<p>In the 80&#39;s alot of found it cheaper to throw their crops away and be paid european subsidy than to sell them, because of trading regulations. This is part of the same &quot;crisis&quot;.<br />Restrictive trading + public borrowing + free money to stop people complaining.  A mate of mine whose family were farmers declined to follow in his fathers footsteps and grow crops, instead he went into the city and traded into &quot;potato futures&quot; &#8211; he could make more money guessing the future price of spuds than by growing the spuds themselves. </p>
<p>How is that sustainable, that the leverage is worth more than the thing itself ?  Everyone has to be mortgaged up to the hilt to buy houses priced at double triple (or whatever) their actual value&#8230;is that a &quot; crisis&quot; ?  The prices were levered by the markets to benefit the markets.  <br />How can it be called a crisis when its been international governmental policy for 30 odd years ? <br />Even down to  currency itself&#8230;.The Euro itself was and is an exercise in spread betting and risk dispersion.  </p>
<p>In NOV 2008, when Lehmans went down, Golem used an anlalogy&#8230;.imagine the banks/ financial intitutions as a row of people on a sheet of ice roped together to an &quot;anvil of debt&quot;. One person falls through the ice. The obvious thing to do is cut the anvil free, to stop the other people being dragged down the same hole. Why don&#39;t they do this ? To mix at analogies, it&#39;s the monkey with it&#39;s hand in the jar&#8230;.</p>
<p>its not a crisis, as golem says,  it&#39;s one big big confidence trick &#8230; if I had a quid for everytime someone working in finance has said to me &quot; you don&#39;t make money by being honest&quot;, I&#39;d be as rich as they are&#8230;ditto governments. They can&#39;t afford to be ethical. That&#39;s become a synonym for &quot; naive&quot;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Until leverage is declared illegal , or % limits set, in international trade law, then its not a &quot;crisis&quot;, it&#39;s just business as usual.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, where does a person brainwashed by craven journalism - that&#039;s me - go to get rehabilitated? I&#039;ve made the first steps to recovery, by weaning myself off the BBC Business and Guardian web pages.&lt;br /&gt;However, my vision remains blurred and I still have trouble discerning between sycophants, fanatics and sages.&lt;br /&gt;Getting a balanced view seems impossible - &#039;establishing a happy medium&#039; must be an oxymoron, because bad news attracts the public&#039;s attention like coprophiles to a freshly laid cowpat, yet the &#039;green shoots&#039; offered by vapid journalism barely tickles the qi.&lt;br /&gt;I had better stop babbling and go and queue for my Soylent Green ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, where does a person brainwashed by craven journalism &#8211; that&#39;s me &#8211; go to get rehabilitated? I&#39;ve made the first steps to recovery, by weaning myself off the BBC Business and Guardian web pages.<br />However, my vision remains blurred and I still have trouble discerning between sycophants, fanatics and sages.<br />Getting a balanced view seems impossible &#8211; &#39;establishing a happy medium&#39; must be an oxymoron, because bad news attracts the public&#39;s attention like coprophiles to a freshly laid cowpat, yet the &#39;green shoots&#39; offered by vapid journalism barely tickles the qi.<br />I had better stop babbling and go and queue for my Soylent Green &#8230;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree with you GolemXIV, but aren&#039;t we also always told that markets run on &#034;sentiment&#034;? (see Fortunte and Bird: &#034;We&#039;re all rich! BUY BUY!!!&#034;; &#034;Ah no, I think we might not be so rich! Aaaargh! SELL SELL!!!&#034;). &lt;br /&gt;If that&#039;s the case, I can kind of be more understanding of false stories planted in the press. Where you are right of course is that debates are only allowed within a very tight framework and articles, debates, etc, questioning the whole setup from a practical basis are few and far between. &lt;br /&gt;By the way, congratulations on the blog, enjoying it immensely (not sure if &#034;enjoying&#034; is the right word, given the somewhat depressing nature of the events you discuss!) (came here cos someone posted your link on CIF, where I used to look out for your posts, which were always interesting). &lt;br /&gt;Nopackdrill, your post is encouraging, let&#039;s hope it&#039;s true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you GolemXIV, but aren&#39;t we also always told that markets run on &quot;sentiment&quot;? (see Fortunte and Bird: &quot;We&#39;re all rich! BUY BUY!!!&quot;; &quot;Ah no, I think we might not be so rich! Aaaargh! SELL SELL!!!&quot;). <br />If that&#39;s the case, I can kind of be more understanding of false stories planted in the press. Where you are right of course is that debates are only allowed within a very tight framework and articles, debates, etc, questioning the whole setup from a practical basis are few and far between. <br />By the way, congratulations on the blog, enjoying it immensely (not sure if &quot;enjoying&quot; is the right word, given the somewhat depressing nature of the events you discuss!) (came here cos someone posted your link on CIF, where I used to look out for your posts, which were always interesting). <br />Nopackdrill, your post is encouraging, let&#39;s hope it&#39;s true.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stifling debate, although nothing new, really has been the theme of the 2000&#039;s. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,&lt;br /&gt;And you think you&#039;re so clever and classless and free, &#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stifling debate, although nothing new, really has been the theme of the 2000&#39;s. </p>
<p>&quot;Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,<br />And you think you&#39;re so clever and classless and free, &quot;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is change coming, it just moves a little too slow for most of us.&lt;br /&gt;My kids -aged 23 to 16- are similar to lots of kids nowadays, they don&#039;t read newspapers, and they don&#039;t watch tv. They have Ipads, Ipeds, Ipids, Ipods, Ipuds.... and seek what they want word of mouth. They have no faith in government, financial markets, Murdoch press, or Simon Cowell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is clear that the newsagents&#039; printed media buys its text from Associated Press or Reuters, and just has some embedded &#039;signature&#039; writers for authenticity. There is no independent mainstream press.&lt;br /&gt;The emasculated BBC is still way too timid to make any ripples of independent thought, and ITV only seems to care about late night phone-in gambling and why Britain has got no talent (Did I flick channels last night and see a leprechaun?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The future that we will wrest from those smug PTB will come because more and more of us are turning off and tuning out from the spoon-fed muzak.&lt;br /&gt;When the youth of today wake up and realise it is their world, that a &#039;Friends&#039;-lite existence just isn&#039;t enough, then the walls will crumble.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;All we have to do is resist the inexorable tightening of civil liberties and the right to dissent –cos they see us coming.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is our middle-aged role in this war.&lt;br /&gt;Hope it is my lifetime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is change coming, it just moves a little too slow for most of us.<br />My kids -aged 23 to 16- are similar to lots of kids nowadays, they don&#39;t read newspapers, and they don&#39;t watch tv. They have Ipads, Ipeds, Ipids, Ipods, Ipuds&#8230;. and seek what they want word of mouth. They have no faith in government, financial markets, Murdoch press, or Simon Cowell.</p>
<p>It is clear that the newsagents&#39; printed media buys its text from Associated Press or Reuters, and just has some embedded &#39;signature&#39; writers for authenticity. There is no independent mainstream press.<br />The emasculated BBC is still way too timid to make any ripples of independent thought, and ITV only seems to care about late night phone-in gambling and why Britain has got no talent (Did I flick channels last night and see a leprechaun?)</p>
<p>The future that we will wrest from those smug PTB will come because more and more of us are turning off and tuning out from the spoon-fed muzak.<br />When the youth of today wake up and realise it is their world, that a &#39;Friends&#39;-lite existence just isn&#39;t enough, then the walls will crumble.</p>
<p>All we have to do is resist the inexorable tightening of civil liberties and the right to dissent –cos they see us coming.</p>
<p>That is our middle-aged role in this war.<br />Hope it is my lifetime.</p>
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