maybe you're right about private versus public corporations. But even publicly traded corporations are feeling that the banks are not helping them, not keeping credti lines open, and that the banks have the ear of Washinngton DC to such an extent that all policy is skewed to their needs only. Thye bnkas don't care about a weaker dollar which the corporations are desperate for. All the banks care about is low interest rates and for that they need a strong dollar to convince everyone that the dollar denominated debt is a safe haven.

Might that give corporations a reason to find themselves at odds with the banks?

Private corporations may see that this is in their advantage. Public corporations – i can't see it at the moment.

I agree that the U in USA is in for some testing times.

Whether corporate industrial power does make common cause with the anti big government radicals is obviously an open question. It might not happen because coroprate AMercia ia already enjoying the profits from forcing wages down. If tey are greedy and short sighted they will push for those quick gains and alienate too many of those who might have become their political allies.

But if they are just a little cleverer and can position themselves as as desperate to give people jobs as those people are desperate to get them, then they will have a political powerhouse at their disposal.

If it does happen it is still likely that such an alliance would benefit the corporations and the Middle class more than the working class. But twas ever thus.

What the left, such as it is in America, would do I dont' know.

But I do think such an alliance could form and if it did could become a very major force and change America's present course.

Nice to see two parts of the economic structure falling out. Such a situation presents possibilities as well as dangers.

The only thing I can see for certain, (or as certain as anything can be) is a slow hemorrhaging of power from the establishment groups to the ground up movements. (But as you point out, sponsored and aided by another vested corporate interest.)

The sad thing is that the more representative that the US could get, the worse it would potentially be.

I mean, I would love more represenative govt here, but wouldn't the "hang 'em, flog 'em" brigade drown out more informed and progressive voices?

I know this is a very simplistic assessment by a slimly informed observer, but I thing the US really is headed for fractious upheaval and putsche on power vacuums by unsavoury groups. Whoever is successful, has access to formidible hardware…like I've said before, I hope they confine their transformation to their own shores.

I don't think I would like the Koch brothers nor they me. They are, to my mind as they are to yours, a retrograde force.

But I think it is interesting to condsider what an alliance between corporate/industrial money and anti-Big government radicalism could do to American politics and the the American financial class.

Apart from Warren Buffet, haven't all the great philanthropists been industrialists and technologists? Please correct me if I'm wrong.