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		By: RichGB		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2010/11/spanish-bond-disaster-and-imf-panic/#comment-1714</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rob&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Michael Hudson is so outrageous I don&#039;t know how to read his stuff objectively. If what he says about a flat-rate tax is true then there is little to stop the financial class adopting similar schemes in other countries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob</p>
<p>Michael Hudson is so outrageous I don&#39;t know how to read his stuff objectively. If what he says about a flat-rate tax is true then there is little to stop the financial class adopting similar schemes in other countries.</p>
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		By: Rob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Everyone,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve been in Paris and Germany this week. In Paris property prices are increasing - apparently quite a lot this year. Most of the restaurants are full, we had trouble finding a place without a reservation. Hotel reservation was difficult too. The euro still works for payment (sorry all you english euro haters). I&#039;ve been telling everyone that europe just bailed out their banks rather than Ireland - most people understand this when you explain it. Germany seems to be in a construction boom at the moment - at least where I was. They also still use the euro ;-)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway - I thought that you might like this article by Michael Hudson&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://michael-hudson.com/2010/11/schemes-of-the-rich-and-greedy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Schemes of the Rich and Greedy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bonne Nuit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been in Paris and Germany this week. In Paris property prices are increasing &#8211; apparently quite a lot this year. Most of the restaurants are full, we had trouble finding a place without a reservation. Hotel reservation was difficult too. The euro still works for payment (sorry all you english euro haters). I&#39;ve been telling everyone that europe just bailed out their banks rather than Ireland &#8211; most people understand this when you explain it. Germany seems to be in a construction boom at the moment &#8211; at least where I was. They also still use the euro 😉</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; I thought that you might like this article by Michael Hudson</p>
<p><a href="http://michael-hudson.com/2010/11/schemes-of-the-rich-and-greedy/" rel="nofollow">Schemes of the Rich and Greedy</a></p>
<p>Bonne Nuit</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		By: andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[re alexei sayle above &#034;Strauss-Kahn is a marxist btw..just sayin like.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last year I met some guy taking his degree in economics. Standing behind somebody elses private bar, he complained that he had passed everything but failed &#034; risk&#034;. The problem, as he explained to me, was that he had answered by saying what he would have done (and indeed had already done working for his mates bank) in a job... but in an exam, it wouldn&#039;t pass because it was against regulations. This pissed him off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My subsequent suggestion that acceptance of a national minimum wage implies consideration of a national maximum wage brought the same retort as user &#034;sean&#034; above r.e. daemonic strauss kahn..&#034; r u a marxist?&#034; &lt;br /&gt;Muttering something about equal distribution of alcohol, I suggested he reach above his head for something a little stronger from his set of optics. He complied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He has now passed &#034; risk&#034; and works&#034; in the finance industry&#034;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re alexei sayle above &quot;Strauss-Kahn is a marxist btw..just sayin like.&quot;</p>
<p>Last year I met some guy taking his degree in economics. Standing behind somebody elses private bar, he complained that he had passed everything but failed &quot; risk&quot;. The problem, as he explained to me, was that he had answered by saying what he would have done (and indeed had already done working for his mates bank) in a job&#8230; but in an exam, it wouldn&#39;t pass because it was against regulations. This pissed him off.</p>
<p>My subsequent suggestion that acceptance of a national minimum wage implies consideration of a national maximum wage brought the same retort as user &quot;sean&quot; above r.e. daemonic strauss kahn..&quot; r u a marxist?&quot; <br />Muttering something about equal distribution of alcohol, I suggested he reach above his head for something a little stronger from his set of optics. He complied.</p>
<p>He has now passed &quot; risk&quot; and works&quot; in the finance industry&quot;.</p>
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		By: Trying to make		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trying to make]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In relation this article (and my post above) I think the following is relevant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This shows the interdependency commonly referred to as Financial Contagion (the house of cards)&lt;br /&gt;http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/chart-of-the-day-bubble-chart-of-exposure-to-and-bailout-of-ireland.html (click on the chart to zoom)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RT interview - Portugal Goes Pop? &#039;Euro burning, people pay, bankers get away&#039;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noi0ukU9co]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation this article (and my post above) I think the following is relevant.</p>
<p>This shows the interdependency commonly referred to as Financial Contagion (the house of cards)<br /><a href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/chart-of-the-day-bubble-chart-of-exposure-to-and-bailout-of-ireland.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/chart-of-the-day-bubble-chart-of-exposure-to-and-bailout-of-ireland.html</a> (click on the chart to zoom)</p>
<p>RT interview &#8211; Portugal Goes Pop? &#39;Euro burning, people pay, bankers get away&#39;<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noi0ukU9co" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noi0ukU9co</a></p>
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		By: RichGB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RichGB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link Unclear. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A year ago I didn&#039;t think I&#039;d be looking at government spreads, but Golem is very persuasive.&lt;br /&gt;Learning about financial machinations poses two challenges: 1) the intellectual effort with a short time to do it in, and 2) how to stay positive for the remainder of the day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&#039;s sing it: &#039;I don&#039;t need no water mister!&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Unclear. </p>
<p>A year ago I didn&#39;t think I&#39;d be looking at government spreads, but Golem is very persuasive.<br />Learning about financial machinations poses two challenges: 1) the intellectual effort with a short time to do it in, and 2) how to stay positive for the remainder of the day.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s sing it: &#39;I don&#39;t need no water mister!&#39;</p>
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		By: Dope Addict		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dope Addict]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 05:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sean said...&lt;br /&gt;Strauss-Kahn is a marxist btw..just sayin like.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, and my name&#039;s Santa Claus. Labels mean nothing in today&#039;s neoliberal free-for-all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sean said&#8230;<br />Strauss-Kahn is a marxist btw..just sayin like.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, and my name&#39;s Santa Claus. Labels mean nothing in today&#39;s neoliberal free-for-all.</p>
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		By: richard in norway		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richard in norway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it does seem like a forest fire, it spreads in stop and starts and jumps to start new fires like Belgium and new zealand. and we know where its headed but at any moment the winds could change and the firefighters burnt to a crisp. you know i don&#039;t like this analogy i&#039;m gonna stop  here]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it does seem like a forest fire, it spreads in stop and starts and jumps to start new fires like Belgium and new zealand. and we know where its headed but at any moment the winds could change and the firefighters burnt to a crisp. you know i don&#39;t like this analogy i&#39;m gonna stop  here</p>
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		By: 24K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[24K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it just me or does anybody else wonder &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDQZyzQrbU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does anybody else wonder <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDQZyzQrbU" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>
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		By: Trying to make		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trying to make]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Spain (and Italy) are the deal breakers. Much bigger than Ireland, Greece and Portugal. The next level down in the house of cards if you will. I think if Spain goes their bail out could break the ECB emergency fund. If they don’t get bailed out the amount of Spanish bonds held by French and German financial interests mean if Spain defaults it will really impact those countries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@Corbero your right the FED can print and shoot but this will further devalue their currency, anger their population and just kick the can a little further down the road. Although they could try and do it through the back door.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@Unclear the NZ bonds have probably increased after S&#038;P &#034;said it was revising New Zealand&#039;s foreign currency outlook to negative from stable&#034;[1]. I believe I read that New Zealand&#039;s foreign debt to GDP is equivalent to Ireland&#039;s. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AL0WS20101122]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Spain (and Italy) are the deal breakers. Much bigger than Ireland, Greece and Portugal. The next level down in the house of cards if you will. I think if Spain goes their bail out could break the ECB emergency fund. If they don’t get bailed out the amount of Spanish bonds held by French and German financial interests mean if Spain defaults it will really impact those countries.</p>
<p>@Corbero your right the FED can print and shoot but this will further devalue their currency, anger their population and just kick the can a little further down the road. Although they could try and do it through the back door.</p>
<p>@Unclear the NZ bonds have probably increased after S&amp;P &quot;said it was revising New Zealand&#39;s foreign currency outlook to negative from stable&quot;[1]. I believe I read that New Zealand&#39;s foreign debt to GDP is equivalent to Ireland&#39;s. </p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AL0WS20101122" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AL0WS20101122</a></p>
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		By: corbero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corbero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spain will increase the yield another 50% to 2.6145% and the bonds will be snapped up by US Banks. They will be purchased with money loaned to them from the Fed at a interest rate of ZERO. That is a pretty nice risk free rate of return, isn&#039;t it? Risk free? Yep, because the EU/IMF will bail out the bond holders (banks) with money given to them from Germany, Holland, etc. Hell, the Fed would probably kick in, basically lending money to a bond issuer to pay principle and interest on a bond owned by a bank that bought the bond with money the Fed lent (gave) them. So the net effect will be the Fed paying the banks 2.6145% to take money from the Fed...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain will increase the yield another 50% to 2.6145% and the bonds will be snapped up by US Banks. They will be purchased with money loaned to them from the Fed at a interest rate of ZERO. That is a pretty nice risk free rate of return, isn&#39;t it? Risk free? Yep, because the EU/IMF will bail out the bond holders (banks) with money given to them from Germany, Holland, etc. Hell, the Fed would probably kick in, basically lending money to a bond issuer to pay principle and interest on a bond owned by a bank that bought the bond with money the Fed lent (gave) them. So the net effect will be the Fed paying the banks 2.6145% to take money from the Fed&#8230;</p>
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