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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2010/11/why-bank-regulation-is-a-joke/#comment-1891</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV - Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[guidoamm,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tend to agree with your analysis of the dynamic.  The facts about debt versus GDP are indisputable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good to hear from you, Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guidoamm,</p>
<p>I tend to agree with your analysis of the dynamic.  The facts about debt versus GDP are indisputable.</p>
<p>Good to hear from you, Thank you.</p>
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		By: guidoamm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guidoamm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 07:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Golem,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that regulation is skewed and ineffectual is the logical result of the monetary system. It is a mathematical truism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A debt based fiat monetary system is predicated on inflation. &lt;br /&gt;Inflation is a dynamic that conforms to the law of diminishing marginal utility. If this were not the case, then there would be a direct and constant correlation between government debt and GDP expansion for example. But as clearly shown by official data, since 1980 government debt progressed by well over 1000% whereas GDP barely doubled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So that as the &#034;beneficial&#034; effects of inflation wane, the monetary authorities must inevitably compensate by intervening directly. But again, as intervention gradually looses traction, the authorities must progressively intervene more forcefully and deeper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus from a political perspective, over time, it is vital that regulation must become lighter, less restrictive and ever less punishing for the sake of the system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The corollary to the above is that in a debt based fiat monetary system, over time government must inevitably and necessarily become the largest actor in the economy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second corollary to the above is that as government becomes larger it must necessarily become more intrusive and more restrictive in order to ensure that centrally directed policies can be enacted regardless of any laws that may exist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a mathematical truism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golem,</p>
<p>The fact that regulation is skewed and ineffectual is the logical result of the monetary system. It is a mathematical truism.</p>
<p>A debt based fiat monetary system is predicated on inflation. <br />Inflation is a dynamic that conforms to the law of diminishing marginal utility. If this were not the case, then there would be a direct and constant correlation between government debt and GDP expansion for example. But as clearly shown by official data, since 1980 government debt progressed by well over 1000% whereas GDP barely doubled.</p>
<p>So that as the &quot;beneficial&quot; effects of inflation wane, the monetary authorities must inevitably compensate by intervening directly. But again, as intervention gradually looses traction, the authorities must progressively intervene more forcefully and deeper.</p>
<p>Thus from a political perspective, over time, it is vital that regulation must become lighter, less restrictive and ever less punishing for the sake of the system.</p>
<p>The corollary to the above is that in a debt based fiat monetary system, over time government must inevitably and necessarily become the largest actor in the economy. </p>
<p>The second corollary to the above is that as government becomes larger it must necessarily become more intrusive and more restrictive in order to ensure that centrally directed policies can be enacted regardless of any laws that may exist.</p>
<p>This is a mathematical truism.</p>
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		By: forensicstatistician		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2010/11/why-bank-regulation-is-a-joke/#comment-1837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forensicstatistician]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim, Rich &#038; dave&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the feedback and advice. I guess it&#039;s slowly, slowly catchy monkey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Incidentally, the ICB has agreed to extend the deadline for more input from the banking industry &#038; the public:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://bankingcommission.independent.gov.uk/bankingcommission/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ICB-Press-Release-7.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I sincerely hope that they have counted my submission as one of the 130 items received so far. Although I suspect that most input is actually from within the sector itself!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pen is mightier than the sword, they say, so hopefully more independent submissions will be forthcoming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Rich &amp; dave</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback and advice. I guess it&#39;s slowly, slowly catchy monkey.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the ICB has agreed to extend the deadline for more input from the banking industry &amp; the public:</p>
<p><a href="http://bankingcommission.independent.gov.uk/bankingcommission/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ICB-Press-Release-7.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bankingcommission.independent.gov.uk/bankingcommission/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ICB-Press-Release-7.pdf</a></p>
<p>I sincerely hope that they have counted my submission as one of the 130 items received so far. Although I suspect that most input is actually from within the sector itself!</p>
<p>The pen is mightier than the sword, they say, so hopefully more independent submissions will be forthcoming.</p>
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		By: wirplit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These are fascinating examples of what is really going on in the banking world. But two things I dont understand but probably my ignorance. &lt;br /&gt;Is a Tax Haven like lets say Jersey as an example, subject to the UK SFO?) Would they not have to be invited in by the Jersey authorities?  Ditto for Guernsey or Isle of Man because HM Govt has no direct jurisdiction over the Channel Islands. Hence the real possibility of early warnings...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the second example in the case of certain countries in the east of the Med  regulation is notoriously hopeless.&lt;br /&gt;But does this mean that regulation cant work? Corrupt officials and politicians will subvert it if they can but surely there are honest men out there too and in times like these what is needed are regulations with real oversight and real teeth. Places like the Cayman Islands are a scandal but then every country in Europe seems always to have these tax havens where banking secrecy is the greatest good of all. However on the plus side recently there was a big scare put into UBS by the US regulators. The question is will this kind of pressure continue? In that sense looking at the government we have I can only share some of your pessimism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are fascinating examples of what is really going on in the banking world. But two things I dont understand but probably my ignorance. <br />Is a Tax Haven like lets say Jersey as an example, subject to the UK SFO?) Would they not have to be invited in by the Jersey authorities?  Ditto for Guernsey or Isle of Man because HM Govt has no direct jurisdiction over the Channel Islands. Hence the real possibility of early warnings&#8230;</p>
<p>In the second example in the case of certain countries in the east of the Med  regulation is notoriously hopeless.<br />But does this mean that regulation cant work? Corrupt officials and politicians will subvert it if they can but surely there are honest men out there too and in times like these what is needed are regulations with real oversight and real teeth. Places like the Cayman Islands are a scandal but then every country in Europe seems always to have these tax havens where banking secrecy is the greatest good of all. However on the plus side recently there was a big scare put into UBS by the US regulators. The question is will this kind of pressure continue? In that sense looking at the government we have I can only share some of your pessimism.</p>
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		By: Anastasius		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anastasius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From a small country at the eastern end of the Mediterranean. Greece in fact. There have been many financial scandals here over the last few years, some of which have been the subject of parliamentary and judicial enquiries. Nothing has ever come out of these enquiries. The latest one, which concerns the Vatopedhi monastery real estate deal, has also come to nothing, although it is very clear from evidence of house purchases etc, that the ministers involved pocketed very large sums of money. But no evidence can ever be found. Up till now, most people here have accepted that it is the judicial system that is to blame, as it is also involved in cases of real-estate manipulation. (Yes, really and truly). But perhaps there is another layer, which you may have revealed in the above article.&lt;br /&gt;Those involved in the Greek/Siemens bribery scandal are also sitting safely in Germany, protected by the German state. &lt;br /&gt;While the rest of us are suffering cuts that have a huge impact when basic wages AND most pensions are rather low.&lt;br /&gt;Fortunately the weather is good here at the moment, so no need for heating just yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a small country at the eastern end of the Mediterranean. Greece in fact. There have been many financial scandals here over the last few years, some of which have been the subject of parliamentary and judicial enquiries. Nothing has ever come out of these enquiries. The latest one, which concerns the Vatopedhi monastery real estate deal, has also come to nothing, although it is very clear from evidence of house purchases etc, that the ministers involved pocketed very large sums of money. But no evidence can ever be found. Up till now, most people here have accepted that it is the judicial system that is to blame, as it is also involved in cases of real-estate manipulation. (Yes, really and truly). But perhaps there is another layer, which you may have revealed in the above article.<br />Those involved in the Greek/Siemens bribery scandal are also sitting safely in Germany, protected by the German state. <br />While the rest of us are suffering cuts that have a huge impact when basic wages AND most pensions are rather low.<br />Fortunately the weather is good here at the moment, so no need for heating just yet.</p>
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		By: RichGB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Forensic&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very interesting paper. The upsurge in knowledgeable subscribers and cross-linking between blogs is becoming a potent force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Forensic</p>
<p>Very interesting paper. The upsurge in knowledgeable subscribers and cross-linking between blogs is becoming a potent force.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Golem,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;any joy with the link to your talk in Lancaster?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golem,</p>
<p>any joy with the link to your talk in Lancaster?</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forensic,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the link to your paper; a cursory glance reveals much in common with the thoughts expressed here by Golem and by others too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our French Connection (ribbit!) offers you sound advice. These are, I believe, the tactics that have helped this blog raise it&#039;s profile recently. Posting frequently, making one&#039;s points clearly and responding to comments promptly and politely have done Golem no harm either! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I look forward to hearing more from you, both here and at your own blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would also recommend Shaun Richards blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://notayesmanseconomics.wordpress.com/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe it has been mentioned here before, in fact, I&#039;m sure that is how I first came across it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forensic,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to your paper; a cursory glance reveals much in common with the thoughts expressed here by Golem and by others too.</p>
<p>Our French Connection (ribbit!) offers you sound advice. These are, I believe, the tactics that have helped this blog raise it&#39;s profile recently. Posting frequently, making one&#39;s points clearly and responding to comments promptly and politely have done Golem no harm either! </p>
<p>I look forward to hearing more from you, both here and at your own blog.</p>
<p>I would also recommend Shaun Richards blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://notayesmanseconomics.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://notayesmanseconomics.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>I believe it has been mentioned here before, in fact, I&#39;m sure that is how I first came across it.</p>
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		By: oldgustav		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgustav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sorry I can&#039;t give you names but if I did I would cause havoc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go ahead and cause havoc then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry I can&#39;t give you names but if I did I would cause havoc.</p>
<p>Go ahead and cause havoc then.</p>
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		By: dave from france		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave from france]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forensic -- get your mates to post clickable links in the Press and hi-traffic blogs to your site and Golem&#039;s and others such as georgewashington2, many more, diffuse yourself to contacts friends family, link to scots and irish news sites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Slower than facebook, but it grows .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forensic &#8212; get your mates to post clickable links in the Press and hi-traffic blogs to your site and Golem&#39;s and others such as georgewashington2, many more, diffuse yourself to contacts friends family, link to scots and irish news sites.</p>
<p>Slower than facebook, but it grows .</p>
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