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		By: dah_sab		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t help noticing that Davos is one letter away from Davros.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Municipal debt is the big time bomb in the US, as Whistleblower points out. But downgrading US debt? Is that federal debt? Because that&#039;s a red herring, a familiar trope used by congress to scare people. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The US federal govt can spend what it wants, with the only brake being inflation, which is hardly a concern right now. The federal govt could bail out every state right now if it wanted to, but that would interfere with the drive toward privatization by (cash) starvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Countries that control their own currencies can take care of themselves, if they wanted to. Unfortunately they don&#039;t, preferring to play the &#034;we have too much debt&#034; game. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The eurozone countries cannot take care of themselves, absent a proactive central bank, and will be screwed w/o restructuring. If it weren&#039;t for the fact that so much misery would result, I&#039;d cheer for the demise of the euro, and the sooner the better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t help noticing that Davos is one letter away from Davros.</p>
<p>Municipal debt is the big time bomb in the US, as Whistleblower points out. But downgrading US debt? Is that federal debt? Because that&#39;s a red herring, a familiar trope used by congress to scare people. </p>
<p>The US federal govt can spend what it wants, with the only brake being inflation, which is hardly a concern right now. The federal govt could bail out every state right now if it wanted to, but that would interfere with the drive toward privatization by (cash) starvation.</p>
<p>Countries that control their own currencies can take care of themselves, if they wanted to. Unfortunately they don&#39;t, preferring to play the &quot;we have too much debt&quot; game. </p>
<p>The eurozone countries cannot take care of themselves, absent a proactive central bank, and will be screwed w/o restructuring. If it weren&#39;t for the fact that so much misery would result, I&#39;d cheer for the demise of the euro, and the sooner the better.</p>
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		By: Nicholas Dyson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And according to the World Economic Forum, to support all this future growth they are celebrating in Davos, the world needs to create over the next decade and additional $100 trillion of credit. &#039;This doubling of existing credit levels could be achieved without increasing the risk of a major crisis, said the report from the WEF ahead of its high-profile annual meeting in Davos.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;See&lt;br /&gt;http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/01/january-20-2011-limbo-loans-we-need.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And according to the World Economic Forum, to support all this future growth they are celebrating in Davos, the world needs to create over the next decade and additional $100 trillion of credit. &#39;This doubling of existing credit levels could be achieved without increasing the risk of a major crisis, said the report from the WEF ahead of its high-profile annual meeting in Davos.&#39;<br />See<br /><a href="http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/01/january-20-2011-limbo-loans-we-need.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/01/january-20-2011-limbo-loans-we-need.html</a></p>
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		By: Whistleblower IRL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Today&#039;s New-York Times reads:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;This contrast is on display in Davos, where the annual World Economic Forum has brought together a confident group of representatives from emerging economies and the exceptionally comfortable but increasingly worried members of the Western world’s elite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Between debts and pensions, everyone should realize that this can’t go on forever,” said Kenneth S. Rogoff, an economics professor at Harvard University in Massachusetts and a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund. “‘We’ll be lucky if it can go on another five to 10 more years.”’&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until recently, debt was hardly a dirty word, especially in Western countries that borrowed to finance economic growth. But few of them managed to shrink their debt when times were good, and instead promised richer pensions and welfare benefits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the case of the United States, the surpluses built during President Bill Clinton’s tenure turned into huge deficits during the administration of President George W. Bush.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, after bailouts in Greece and Ireland, the unthinkable is becoming more probable. As a result, investors are scrutinizing nearly every country with high debt — with potentially bewildering consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...This month, two ratings agencies warned that the triple-A rating for the United States could be reviewed in a couple of years if the country’s national debt kept growing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...At the same time, several states, particularly Illinois, are feared to be on the brink of insolvency, possibly requiring a bailout. The burden has mushroomed so quickly that some policy makers are asking Congress to consider the once-unthinkable possibility of allowing states to file for bankruptcy. That may be the only way, advocates of this approach argue, to alleviate overwhelming debts, including huge pension obligations that are siphoning money from education and other state services.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The risk is that the mere talk of such measures could destabilize investors’ faith in United States municipal bond markets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Japan is more of a question mark. The Japanese prime minister, Naoto Kan, has warned that the nation faces a financial crisis of Greek proportions if it does not tackle a debt that is expected to rise to 210 percent of the country’s gross domestic product next year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...“Japan is a debt time bomb that is waiting to explode,” said Paul De Grauwe, a professor of international economics at the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/as-europe-toils-on-debt-u-s-and-japan-watch-nervously/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/as-europe-toils-on-debt-u-s-and-japan-watch-nervously/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#39;s New-York Times reads:</p>
<p><i>This contrast is on display in Davos, where the annual World Economic Forum has brought together a confident group of representatives from emerging economies and the exceptionally comfortable but increasingly worried members of the Western world’s elite.</p>
<p>“Between debts and pensions, everyone should realize that this can’t go on forever,” said Kenneth S. Rogoff, an economics professor at Harvard University in Massachusetts and a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund. “‘We’ll be lucky if it can go on another five to 10 more years.”’</p>
<p>Until recently, debt was hardly a dirty word, especially in Western countries that borrowed to finance economic growth. But few of them managed to shrink their debt when times were good, and instead promised richer pensions and welfare benefits.</p>
<p>In the case of the United States, the surpluses built during President Bill Clinton’s tenure turned into huge deficits during the administration of President George W. Bush.</p>
<p>Now, after bailouts in Greece and Ireland, the unthinkable is becoming more probable. As a result, investors are scrutinizing nearly every country with high debt — with potentially bewildering consequences.</p>
<p>&#8230;This month, two ratings agencies warned that the triple-A rating for the United States could be reviewed in a couple of years if the country’s national debt kept growing.</p>
<p>&#8230;At the same time, several states, particularly Illinois, are feared to be on the brink of insolvency, possibly requiring a bailout. The burden has mushroomed so quickly that some policy makers are asking Congress to consider the once-unthinkable possibility of allowing states to file for bankruptcy. That may be the only way, advocates of this approach argue, to alleviate overwhelming debts, including huge pension obligations that are siphoning money from education and other state services.</p>
<p>The risk is that the mere talk of such measures could destabilize investors’ faith in United States municipal bond markets.</p>
<p>&#8230;Japan is more of a question mark. The Japanese prime minister, Naoto Kan, has warned that the nation faces a financial crisis of Greek proportions if it does not tackle a debt that is expected to rise to 210 percent of the country’s gross domestic product next year.</p>
<p>&#8230;“Japan is a debt time bomb that is waiting to explode,” said Paul De Grauwe, a professor of international economics at the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/as-europe-toils-on-debt-u-s-and-japan-watch-nervously/" rel="nofollow">http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/as-europe-toils-on-debt-u-s-and-japan-watch-nervously/</a></p>
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		By: Fungus FitzJuggler III		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/01/a-tale-of-two-cities-davos-and-cairo/#comment-2535</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But one world government is coming and may help to stop this playing of one country against another. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The disinfo sites all pretend that world gov is bad. Ever ask yourself why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True!</p>
<p>But one world government is coming and may help to stop this playing of one country against another. </p>
<p>The disinfo sites all pretend that world gov is bad. Ever ask yourself why?</p>
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