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		By: Fungus FitzJuggler III		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All money and credit is actually a claim. A paper or even paperless claim to an asset. If the asset does not exist and it no longer does, then we have the world financial system!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All those claims and yet it appears, no one is cashing out! Taking their assets and quitting their claims. Why not?? One answer is that the msm is saying that things are fundamentally sound! Your readers all know this is false but may not continue the line of logic: cash out now! No investment is safe, even currency! Farm land if cheap and productive is OK. We are in the K winter now. Deflation is king and is only beginning to bite. We are a few years along the Japan trail. They are twenty years along it. Facing &#034;bankruptcy&#034; ie their investors money has been lost!&lt;br /&gt;Ireland can go this way or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Birgitta kicks with the other foot!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All money and credit is actually a claim. A paper or even paperless claim to an asset. If the asset does not exist and it no longer does, then we have the world financial system!</p>
<p>All those claims and yet it appears, no one is cashing out! Taking their assets and quitting their claims. Why not?? One answer is that the msm is saying that things are fundamentally sound! Your readers all know this is false but may not continue the line of logic: cash out now! No investment is safe, even currency! Farm land if cheap and productive is OK. We are in the K winter now. Deflation is king and is only beginning to bite. We are a few years along the Japan trail. They are twenty years along it. Facing &quot;bankruptcy&quot; ie their investors money has been lost!<br />Ireland can go this way or not.</p>
<p>Birgitta kicks with the other foot!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh BTW, I think Birgitta Jonsdottir is HOT!  Somebody give me her address and I&#039;ll send her large appliances and jewelry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh BTW, I think Birgitta Jonsdottir is HOT!  Somebody give me her address and I&#39;ll send her large appliances and jewelry.</p>
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		By: GoPug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At least next time, and I believe there will be a next time, then maybe we will let them fail.&lt;br /&gt;At least people are talking about this and even in the Western MSM, you see a tiny sliver of this rhetoric coming forth.&lt;br /&gt;I give you as an example.  While Iceland was grappling with their dilemma, I was trying to follow the news as it transpired.  The US MSM was Johnny on the spot while the IMF was paving the path for an IMF Rescue in Iceland, but the day Grímsson pocket vetoed the whole plan a funny thing happened.  The US MSM completely dropped the story!!!  I had to get my news from Journalism 2.0 and local Icelandic sources.  To this day finding out details of Iceland&#039;s rejection of the IMF and Western Banks takes some effort.  It certainly doesn&#039;t jump out at you like it should in a Google Search done inside the US.&lt;br /&gt;Birgitta Jonsdottir named in USDOJ subpeona?  Well the IMF/Banks tentacles are long, eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least next time, and I believe there will be a next time, then maybe we will let them fail.<br />At least people are talking about this and even in the Western MSM, you see a tiny sliver of this rhetoric coming forth.<br />I give you as an example.  While Iceland was grappling with their dilemma, I was trying to follow the news as it transpired.  The US MSM was Johnny on the spot while the IMF was paving the path for an IMF Rescue in Iceland, but the day Grímsson pocket vetoed the whole plan a funny thing happened.  The US MSM completely dropped the story!!!  I had to get my news from Journalism 2.0 and local Icelandic sources.  To this day finding out details of Iceland&#39;s rejection of the IMF and Western Banks takes some effort.  It certainly doesn&#39;t jump out at you like it should in a Google Search done inside the US.<br />Birgitta Jonsdottir named in USDOJ subpeona?  Well the IMF/Banks tentacles are long, eh?</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone seen this RealNews piece on Canadian  Forensic Accountant Al Rosen? He&#039;s published a book recently detailing how dodgy accounting standards (especially from Europe) are a key cause of fraud &#038; misrepresentation (&#038; by extension, the hiding of &#039;risk&#039;) in both banks &#038; major corporations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=6029&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@ ahimsa&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Defecit easing- you should &#039;buy it&#039;, it&#039;s a good, workable idea. The only thing against it is that it doesn&#039;t come from a &#039;neo liberal&#039; economist &#038; therefore must be ignored. Btw, Richard Douthwaite has suggested for some time that brewing structural weaknesses mean that Ireland&#039;s continuing membership of the Euro - as the Eurozone is presently managed (well, not effectively managed) - is not our best option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone seen this RealNews piece on Canadian  Forensic Accountant Al Rosen? He&#39;s published a book recently detailing how dodgy accounting standards (especially from Europe) are a key cause of fraud &amp; misrepresentation (&amp; by extension, the hiding of &#39;risk&#39;) in both banks &amp; major corporations.</p>
<p><a href="http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=6029" rel="nofollow ugc">http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=6029</a></p>
<p>@ ahimsa</p>
<p>-Defecit easing- you should &#39;buy it&#39;, it&#39;s a good, workable idea. The only thing against it is that it doesn&#39;t come from a &#39;neo liberal&#39; economist &amp; therefore must be ignored. Btw, Richard Douthwaite has suggested for some time that brewing structural weaknesses mean that Ireland&#39;s continuing membership of the Euro &#8211; as the Eurozone is presently managed (well, not effectively managed) &#8211; is not our best option.</p>
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		By: forensicstatistician		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Golem,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the reference to your Undead Heart series of articles. Glad to see that there’s someone on the same wavelength!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hadn’t thought of Securitisation in terms of promoting / facilitating Leverage.  This certainly rings true and the excessive addiction to growing debt creation certainly points to an inevitable breakdown of the model (almost as if it were designed in!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We both seem to share the view that risk hasn’t actually been tamed. If we can dismantle this myth then the whole edifice comes falling down. This is the focus of my ICB submission. Risk can’t disappear or qualitatively change form. Banks either avoid, absorb or transfer risk. Securitisation gave the impression of reducing the extent of risk, but this was a catastrophic under-estimation (i.e. mis-pricing) of the risk. Instead it merely enables risk transfers, either to gullible counter parties, or to the tax payer. The quotes from the Fed about “polishing” the quality of loans show them to be complicit in the scam. We have a saying at work that goes along the lines of “you can’t polish a turd” – how apt!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Banks have always been able to control the money supply. They create credit through loan origination. However this always used to be a private arrangement. A bad extension of credit would come back to haunt the bank that created it. Securitisation now enables this to become monetised, and therefore a public problem. This is related to the notion that money is just a special form of credit, a unique subset of credit that is fungible / highly liquid. My main beef is that the banks take the upside profit, but then leg it on the downside, leaving society to pick up the pieces.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like you, I suspect that there is a tidal wave of credit risk that hasn’t been fully recognised yet. And you can guess who will be left holding the turd! As you say, this is indeed the very heart of the problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golem,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reference to your Undead Heart series of articles. Glad to see that there’s someone on the same wavelength!</p>
<p>I hadn’t thought of Securitisation in terms of promoting / facilitating Leverage.  This certainly rings true and the excessive addiction to growing debt creation certainly points to an inevitable breakdown of the model (almost as if it were designed in!).</p>
<p>We both seem to share the view that risk hasn’t actually been tamed. If we can dismantle this myth then the whole edifice comes falling down. This is the focus of my ICB submission. Risk can’t disappear or qualitatively change form. Banks either avoid, absorb or transfer risk. Securitisation gave the impression of reducing the extent of risk, but this was a catastrophic under-estimation (i.e. mis-pricing) of the risk. Instead it merely enables risk transfers, either to gullible counter parties, or to the tax payer. The quotes from the Fed about “polishing” the quality of loans show them to be complicit in the scam. We have a saying at work that goes along the lines of “you can’t polish a turd” – how apt!</p>
<p>Banks have always been able to control the money supply. They create credit through loan origination. However this always used to be a private arrangement. A bad extension of credit would come back to haunt the bank that created it. Securitisation now enables this to become monetised, and therefore a public problem. This is related to the notion that money is just a special form of credit, a unique subset of credit that is fungible / highly liquid. My main beef is that the banks take the upside profit, but then leg it on the downside, leaving society to pick up the pieces.</p>
<p>Like you, I suspect that there is a tidal wave of credit risk that hasn’t been fully recognised yet. And you can guess who will be left holding the turd! As you say, this is indeed the very heart of the problem.</p>
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		By: dah_sab		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What does it tell you...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s hard not to be cynical &#038; feel like this is what the dumb proles want to hear, and that they&#039;re sitting in front of their TV thinking &#034;Yeah! They shouldn&#039;t have done that!&#034; As if (supposedly) being shamed on the BBC really puts them in their place. They might as well have interviewed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_oKve-bH0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Captain Hindsight&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Granted, there&#039;s certainly more public awareness &#038; pushback happening in the UK than here in the US. But this kind of drivel &#038; splooge in the US is likely to work wonders in dampening down public anger, such as there is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What does it tell you&#8230;</i></p>
<p>It&#39;s hard not to be cynical &amp; feel like this is what the dumb proles want to hear, and that they&#39;re sitting in front of their TV thinking &quot;Yeah! They shouldn&#39;t have done that!&quot; As if (supposedly) being shamed on the BBC really puts them in their place. They might as well have interviewed <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_oKve-bH0" rel="nofollow">Captain Hindsight</a>.</p>
<p>Granted, there&#39;s certainly more public awareness &amp; pushback happening in the UK than here in the US. But this kind of drivel &amp; splooge in the US is likely to work wonders in dampening down public anger, such as there is.</p>
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		By: ahimsa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Though some of you might be interested..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyone come across this idea, Deficit Easing (as opposed to quantitaive easing). Involves printing debt-free money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://smarttaxes.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Douthwaite-Deficit-easing.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t fully buy it but it&#039;s thinking outside of the pre-existing monetary box.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David thanks again for Undead Heart. I finally glimpsed an understanding of securities, the banker&#039;s black magick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though some of you might be interested..</p>
<p>Anyone come across this idea, Deficit Easing (as opposed to quantitaive easing). Involves printing debt-free money.</p>
<p><a href="http://smarttaxes.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Douthwaite-Deficit-easing.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://smarttaxes.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Douthwaite-Deficit-easing.pdf</a></p>
<p>I don&#39;t fully buy it but it&#39;s thinking outside of the pre-existing monetary box.</p>
<p>David thanks again for Undead Heart. I finally glimpsed an understanding of securities, the banker&#39;s black magick.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey RichGB,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you&#039;re reading would you drop me an email?  I&#039;d like a word if that&#039;s OK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey RichGB,</p>
<p>If you&#39;re reading would you drop me an email?  I&#39;d like a word if that&#39;s OK.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forensic,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I absolutely agree with you about securitization.  I don&#039;t know if you were a reader when I wrote the The Undead Heart . It was three parts about securitization.  If you didn&#039;t and have teh inclination I would be most intersted to hear your thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have spoken to various bankers about securitization and the whole bankers paradigm of risk management.  It is, as I suspect you also think, the heart of the folly of modern finance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you&#039;re interested we could chat about it.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will try to read your submission.  I am just very short of time at the moment. Family and work combine to use up all the minutes and those I have left I try to use reading to the boys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forensic,</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you about securitization.  I don&#39;t know if you were a reader when I wrote the The Undead Heart . It was three parts about securitization.  If you didn&#39;t and have teh inclination I would be most intersted to hear your thoughts.</p>
<p>I have spoken to various bankers about securitization and the whole bankers paradigm of risk management.  It is, as I suspect you also think, the heart of the folly of modern finance.</p>
<p>If you&#39;re interested we could chat about it.  </p>
<p>I will try to read your submission.  I am just very short of time at the moment. Family and work combine to use up all the minutes and those I have left I try to use reading to the boys.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[an interesting piece of spam when i opened google today. At the top of the mailbox was a banner ad-link to this page.&lt;br /&gt;http://moneymorning.com/ppc/US_Dollar.php?code=X304J1G4&#038;gclid=CMrT5KOQxKYCFYYPfAodtDjxMw&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;U.S. Dollar Report:&lt;br /&gt;The Dollar&#039;s Day of Reckoning is Here&lt;br /&gt;&#034;The government is printing money 24/7 to paper over the bad debts of the housing crisis and Wall Street bailouts. We&#039;re about to enter a cycle of hyper-inflation that will devalue every dollar you own... but there is a way to profit! Find out how in this free report.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the year goes on, dollar is looking more and more like a colossal short... One that could wind up being one of the biggest moneymakers of the year - if you&#039;ve got the guts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read on to find out why it&#039;s time to bet against the dollar... and how to do it for huge profits.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder how many more of Google&#039;s 170 million users woke up to this same proposal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Things are changing...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an interesting piece of spam when i opened google today. At the top of the mailbox was a banner ad-link to this page.<br /><a href="http://moneymorning.com/ppc/US_Dollar.php?code=X304J1G4&#038;gclid=CMrT5KOQxKYCFYYPfAodtDjxMw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://moneymorning.com/ppc/US_Dollar.php?code=X304J1G4&#038;gclid=CMrT5KOQxKYCFYYPfAodtDjxMw</a></p>
<p>&quot;U.S. Dollar Report:<br />The Dollar&#39;s Day of Reckoning is Here<br />&quot;The government is printing money 24/7 to paper over the bad debts of the housing crisis and Wall Street bailouts. We&#39;re about to enter a cycle of hyper-inflation that will devalue every dollar you own&#8230; but there is a way to profit! Find out how in this free report.</p>
<p>As the year goes on, dollar is looking more and more like a colossal short&#8230; One that could wind up being one of the biggest moneymakers of the year &#8211; if you&#39;ve got the guts.</p>
<p>Read on to find out why it&#39;s time to bet against the dollar&#8230; and how to do it for huge profits.&quot;</p>
<p>I wonder how many more of Google&#39;s 170 million users woke up to this same proposal.</p>
<p>Things are changing&#8230;</p>
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