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		By: Christian		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/02/liars-lexicon-mark-to-market/#comment-2859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I assume you mean mark to model is staying, D?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I gather both standards are used; mark to market when the equities have a profitable value, and M2M or a similar pricing system justified in high-falutin financial-newspeak that amounts to the same thing, when the &#034;troubled&#034; assets are, essentially, worthless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you mean mark to model is staying, D?</p>
<p>I gather both standards are used; mark to market when the equities have a profitable value, and M2M or a similar pricing system justified in high-falutin financial-newspeak that amounts to the same thing, when the &quot;troubled&quot; assets are, essentially, worthless.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/02/liars-lexicon-mark-to-market/#comment-2839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV - Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark to market is staying because without it there would be no &#034;Now things are fine&#034;.  Things would be revealed as parlous and the banks as insolvent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark to market is staying because without it there would be no &quot;Now things are fine&quot;.  Things would be revealed as parlous and the banks as insolvent.</p>
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		By: wirplit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dont know David, you could write a great alternative economics text book!  A kind of Devil&#039;s Dictionary to chop the nonsense out of it...Thanks for clarifying Mark to Market. Usual pithy clarity. What astonishes me most is not that these rules were suspended while the markets were in freefall...  after all dealing in a company can be suspended for a time and even the Stock Market closed.. but these are necessarily temporary. The immediate crisis passes so does the need for these measures. After all the arguments you present for those wanting to suspend Mark to Markets all seem to be of the same &#034;temporary crisis&#034;  perspective. Now things are &#034;fine&#034; and the bonuses are back ( if they ever left) why are there not fervent demands by analysts and rating agencies not to speak of investors or financial journalists for a return to proper accounting do you think?  Does it seem that this change  to, and remaining witb, Mark to Model is going without much real argument? I mean of course in the mainstream...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know David, you could write a great alternative economics text book!  A kind of Devil&#39;s Dictionary to chop the nonsense out of it&#8230;Thanks for clarifying Mark to Market. Usual pithy clarity. What astonishes me most is not that these rules were suspended while the markets were in freefall&#8230;  after all dealing in a company can be suspended for a time and even the Stock Market closed.. but these are necessarily temporary. The immediate crisis passes so does the need for these measures. After all the arguments you present for those wanting to suspend Mark to Markets all seem to be of the same &quot;temporary crisis&quot;  perspective. Now things are &quot;fine&quot; and the bonuses are back ( if they ever left) why are there not fervent demands by analysts and rating agencies not to speak of investors or financial journalists for a return to proper accounting do you think?  Does it seem that this change  to, and remaining witb, Mark to Model is going without much real argument? I mean of course in the mainstream&#8230;</p>
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		By: pe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christian, Many thanks paul]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian, Many thanks paul</p>
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		By: Christian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kathleen Barrington&#039;s article refers to a key change in the IASB International Accounting Standard 39 in October 2008.  Wiki&#039;s useful article below suggests that firms, especially those with global operations, are moving away from localised standards such as GAAP and adopting the new IASB approach - perhaps this was the mechanism?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_Accepted_Accounting_Principles]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen Barrington&#39;s article refers to a key change in the IASB International Accounting Standard 39 in October 2008.  Wiki&#39;s useful article below suggests that firms, especially those with global operations, are moving away from localised standards such as GAAP and adopting the new IASB approach &#8211; perhaps this was the mechanism?  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_Accepted_Accounting_Principles" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_Accepted_Accounting_Principles</a></p>
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		By: pe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction to the above, in the last para it should say &#034;can be reclassified as Level 3 assets which effectively allows mark to model&#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to the above, in the last para it should say &quot;can be reclassified as Level 3 assets which effectively allows mark to model&quot;</p>
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		By: pe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cbristian ans Pe,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree, I am just trying to trace the exact mechanism in the UK.  &lt;br /&gt;Golem explains the process in terms of what happened in the US&lt;br /&gt;&#034;After a frantic year of flooding lobbying money into the accounts of the relevant Senators and Congressmen and women, Mark to Market rules were suspended on 2nd April of 2009.  They were replaced by rules called Mark to Model by which the banks could &#034;..use significant judgement in gauging  prices of some investments...&#034;&#034; [Forests, Fire sales and Mark to Market].  But how did it happen in the UK? Gillian Tett says in Fool&#039;s Gold that the banks tried and failed to suspend mark-to -market  when the crisis first started.[p242].  Maybe it wasnt necessary to remove mark-to market because the accounting standard gives authority to companies to abandon it in crisis situations either because markets are not deemed normal, or because normal trading is not taking place in financial assets so they can be reclassified as Level 3 assets which effectively allows mark to market.  See Wiki [Mark to Market] and Credit Writedowns at http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/04/a-few-comments-about-mark-to-market.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am surprised there isnt more on the subject on the web]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cbristian ans Pe,</p>
<p>I agree, I am just trying to trace the exact mechanism in the UK.  <br />Golem explains the process in terms of what happened in the US<br />&quot;After a frantic year of flooding lobbying money into the accounts of the relevant Senators and Congressmen and women, Mark to Market rules were suspended on 2nd April of 2009.  They were replaced by rules called Mark to Model by which the banks could &quot;..use significant judgement in gauging  prices of some investments&#8230;&quot;&quot; [Forests, Fire sales and Mark to Market].  But how did it happen in the UK? Gillian Tett says in Fool&#39;s Gold that the banks tried and failed to suspend mark-to -market  when the crisis first started.[p242].  Maybe it wasnt necessary to remove mark-to market because the accounting standard gives authority to companies to abandon it in crisis situations either because markets are not deemed normal, or because normal trading is not taking place in financial assets so they can be reclassified as Level 3 assets which effectively allows mark to market.  See Wiki [Mark to Market] and Credit Writedowns at <a href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/04/a-few-comments-about-mark-to-market.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/04/a-few-comments-about-mark-to-market.html</a></p>
<p>I am surprised there isnt more on the subject on the web</p>
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		By: Christian		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/02/liars-lexicon-mark-to-market/#comment-2767</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, definitely, and let us know what you think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, definitely, and let us know what you think.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/02/liars-lexicon-mark-to-market/#comment-2755</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV - Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christian,&lt;br /&gt;I have not seen it. I take it I should?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian,<br />I have not seen it. I take it I should?</p>
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		By: Christian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks - that makes complete sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks also for your consistently excellent posts both here and (formerly?) on CiF - they are invariably more enlightening and lucid than what passes for analysis on the Guardian and elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Changing the subject slightly, have you seen Zeitgeist - Moving Forward, and if so what did you make of it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; that makes complete sense.</p>
<p>Thanks also for your consistently excellent posts both here and (formerly?) on CiF &#8211; they are invariably more enlightening and lucid than what passes for analysis on the Guardian and elsewhere.</p>
<p>Changing the subject slightly, have you seen Zeitgeist &#8211; Moving Forward, and if so what did you make of it?</p>
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