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		By: 24K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rebbeca, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXzKnnRDpA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Only Ribbing&lt;/a&gt; just for fun like :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebbeca, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXzKnnRDpA" rel="nofollow">Only Ribbing</a> just for fun like 🙂</p>
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		By: StevieFinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As to the Fukushima incident there seems to be 2 extremes, apocalypse or nothing to see here folks. I found this vid, Dr. Helen Caldicott who says amongst other things &#034; Do not eat European food &#034;.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=TMXvpWoHzeE           &lt;br /&gt;  On the other hand you have Malcolm Grimston ( good name that ) Gerry Thomas &#038; 2 others saying there&#039;s nothing to worry about on this BBC radio 4 programme.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zf4j5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s all very confusing, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, I think Grimston gave himself away by saying that all wind &#038; wave power would have been destroyed by the earthquake &#038; Japan would have been worse off with these energy methods. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  If these people win the argument, nobody will know if their conclusions are/were correct for many years &#038; by that time the nuclear industry would have expanded &#038; our Grandchildren will be stuck with it. Surely there should be absolute certainty, a conference or whatever where all the evidence is put together &#038; weighed up transparently, so we could come to some sort of conclusion as to the way forward with something as important as this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Just got my copy of &#034; Debt Generation &#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the Fukushima incident there seems to be 2 extremes, apocalypse or nothing to see here folks. I found this vid, Dr. Helen Caldicott who says amongst other things &quot; Do not eat European food &quot;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=TMXvpWoHzeE" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=TMXvpWoHzeE</a>           <br />  On the other hand you have Malcolm Grimston ( good name that ) Gerry Thomas &amp; 2 others saying there&#39;s nothing to worry about on this BBC radio 4 programme.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zf4j5" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zf4j5</a></p>
<p>It&#39;s all very confusing, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, I think Grimston gave himself away by saying that all wind &amp; wave power would have been destroyed by the earthquake &amp; Japan would have been worse off with these energy methods. </p>
<p>  If these people win the argument, nobody will know if their conclusions are/were correct for many years &amp; by that time the nuclear industry would have expanded &amp; our Grandchildren will be stuck with it. Surely there should be absolute certainty, a conference or whatever where all the evidence is put together &amp; weighed up transparently, so we could come to some sort of conclusion as to the way forward with something as important as this.</p>
<p>   Just got my copy of &quot; Debt Generation &quot;</p>
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		By: Fungus FitzJuggler III		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Golem, I am sorry you think me correct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was hoping for correction, that TPTB will split into winners and losers or not so winners, and that those who win will be those who have the greater conscience as they will be aided by those crucial office holders. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope that the NWO initiate food production asap. It may help crush their rivals for the top table .... I also believe we can easily sustain many more than 10Bn in population. But we do not need to. The sharing out of wealth, reducing the American pie, may enable all countries to become middling if not middle class. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The nuclear disaster is now making some food consumption moot. If this dithering in Japan continues, it will worsen. I doubt that was part of anyone&#039;s plan? China may stay whole instead of becoming 100 fiefdoms. Investing anywhere near Singapore, the strategic chokepoint, may then be most foolish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golem, I am sorry you think me correct.</p>
<p>I was hoping for correction, that TPTB will split into winners and losers or not so winners, and that those who win will be those who have the greater conscience as they will be aided by those crucial office holders. </p>
<p>I hope that the NWO initiate food production asap. It may help crush their rivals for the top table &#8230;. I also believe we can easily sustain many more than 10Bn in population. But we do not need to. The sharing out of wealth, reducing the American pie, may enable all countries to become middling if not middle class. </p>
<p>The nuclear disaster is now making some food consumption moot. If this dithering in Japan continues, it will worsen. I doubt that was part of anyone&#39;s plan? China may stay whole instead of becoming 100 fiefdoms. Investing anywhere near Singapore, the strategic chokepoint, may then be most foolish.</p>
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		By: Syzygy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The actual producing of food is not generally the problem... access to land is. A very small plot can feed a family.  The UN are finally backing small holdings as being much more efficient than the environmentally destructive agribusinesses.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &#039;food shortages&#039; result from Capitalism and neoliberal policies at every level.  This is the modern equivalent of the devastating Land enclosure Act.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual producing of food is not generally the problem&#8230; access to land is. A very small plot can feed a family.  The UN are finally backing small holdings as being much more efficient than the environmentally destructive agribusinesses.  </p>
<p>The &#39;food shortages&#39; result from Capitalism and neoliberal policies at every level.  This is the modern equivalent of the devastating Land enclosure Act.</p>
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		By: guidoromero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 05:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fungus FitzJuggler III &lt;br /&gt;@ 23 April - 9:30&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very astute observation sir. Let&#039;s do watch. But the die is cast. The end of the inflationary cycle is characterized by excessive debt and excessive industrial capacity. The point at which credit markets can no longer be expanded, a third and politically lethal condition develops: unemployment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The situation can only be resolved by obliterating industrial capacity and infrastructure. That is &#034;obliterating&#034;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obliterating industrial capacity takes boots on the ground and, guess what! The throngs of unemployed, soon to be homeless and potentially hungry that are about to turn on Western politicians and bankers are just the ticket.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A bon entendeur...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fungus FitzJuggler III <br />@ 23 April &#8211; 9:30</p>
<p>Very astute observation sir. Let&#39;s do watch. But the die is cast. The end of the inflationary cycle is characterized by excessive debt and excessive industrial capacity. The point at which credit markets can no longer be expanded, a third and politically lethal condition develops: unemployment.</p>
<p>The situation can only be resolved by obliterating industrial capacity and infrastructure. That is &quot;obliterating&quot;. </p>
<p>Obliterating industrial capacity takes boots on the ground and, guess what! The throngs of unemployed, soon to be homeless and potentially hungry that are about to turn on Western politicians and bankers are just the ticket.</p>
<p>A bon entendeur&#8230;</p>
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		By: kaya		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A factor in this must surely be QE I and II, and a a similar process in Europe and Japan. Pumping so much liquidity into markets has to be inflationary. The problem is that the bulk of the money stays in speculator hands driving up commodity prices for no benefit except the speculators. This will end badly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A factor in this must surely be QE I and II, and a a similar process in Europe and Japan. Pumping so much liquidity into markets has to be inflationary. The problem is that the bulk of the money stays in speculator hands driving up commodity prices for no benefit except the speculators. This will end badly.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The old Malthusian debate will always be with us. For all we know the earth may be able to support 50 billion humans (possibly minus or plus a few other species) if well managed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rebecca you&#039;re quite right to feel disquiet by talk of population overload. One just has to look at birth rates for boys and girls in both India and China. Female infanticide is a real problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also Rebecca your first post, which did all but mention the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) needs to be looked at. Globalisation is not a problem, rather how we manage it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When a fisherman in Mali can&#039;t cast his net for sardines because his government owes money to the EU, but a Spanish trawler can take his sardines, bring them back to Europe and can them, and then sell them back to Mali at a price the unemployed fisherman cannot afford, then something is truly rotten.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But we still have cheap food. WTO please stand up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old Malthusian debate will always be with us. For all we know the earth may be able to support 50 billion humans (possibly minus or plus a few other species) if well managed. </p>
<p>Rebecca you&#39;re quite right to feel disquiet by talk of population overload. One just has to look at birth rates for boys and girls in both India and China. Female infanticide is a real problem.</p>
<p>Also Rebecca your first post, which did all but mention the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) needs to be looked at. Globalisation is not a problem, rather how we manage it.</p>
<p>When a fisherman in Mali can&#39;t cast his net for sardines because his government owes money to the EU, but a Spanish trawler can take his sardines, bring them back to Europe and can them, and then sell them back to Mali at a price the unemployed fisherman cannot afford, then something is truly rotten.</p>
<p>But we still have cheap food. WTO please stand up.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A professional friend of mine -  who does incomprehensible things with mind-boggling amounts of  investment products - told me two months ago&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &#039; the one thing that worries me is that there is going to be an unbelievable short squeeze on food commodities this year, it could be awful, causing terrible hardship all over the world.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sadly I&#039;m none the wiser. What&#039;s a short squeeze?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A professional friend of mine &#8211;  who does incomprehensible things with mind-boggling amounts of  investment products &#8211; told me two months ago</p>
<p> &#39; the one thing that worries me is that there is going to be an unbelievable short squeeze on food commodities this year, it could be awful, causing terrible hardship all over the world.&#39;</p>
<p>Sadly I&#39;m none the wiser. What&#39;s a short squeeze?</p>
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		By: 24K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RICH GB!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did a sigh of relief then :) Let someone know if your gonna be gone for a while. You had us all worried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope you watched my music video &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPJ45kmDz8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;? It was done on a compact with an anamorphic strap-on but I&#039;ve been researching, the next one will look so nice it&#039;ll bring a tear to G&#039;s eye.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope everything is ok dude. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rebbeca, your sounding like the New Women Order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.treehugger.com/World-Population-Growth-2050.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; is a population growth chart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.postpeakliving.com/files/siteimages/TheAgeOfOil.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; is oil production.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The population chart matches the oil chart. When the oil goes the people go. Most of the extra people are from developing countries. When the oil goes the third world goes. No man or woman or policy will stop it. We are dizzy on oil like the dude in Carlitto&#039;s way who Dysoned up half of Bolivia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m with Mike, anybody know where we can get a ton of DMT?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RICH GB!</p>
<p>I did a sigh of relief then 🙂 Let someone know if your gonna be gone for a while. You had us all worried.</p>
<p>Hope you watched my music video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPJ45kmDz8" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>? It was done on a compact with an anamorphic strap-on but I&#39;ve been researching, the next one will look so nice it&#39;ll bring a tear to G&#39;s eye.</p>
<p>Hope everything is ok dude. </p>
<p>Rebbeca, your sounding like the New Women Order.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/World-Population-Growth-2050.JPG" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> is a population growth chart.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.postpeakliving.com/files/siteimages/TheAgeOfOil.gif" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> is oil production.</p>
<p>The population chart matches the oil chart. When the oil goes the people go. Most of the extra people are from developing countries. When the oil goes the third world goes. No man or woman or policy will stop it. We are dizzy on oil like the dude in Carlitto&#39;s way who Dysoned up half of Bolivia.</p>
<p>I&#39;m with Mike, anybody know where we can get a ton of DMT?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ ahimsa&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, the ability to support 9 billion requires radically different policies, but there are not really any insoluble physical problems. It&#039;s very late to be making such a transition &#038; we have barely started yet, so the prognosis is poor to say the least - for many millions now to billions by century end. Right now I would not bet on more than 20% of present poulation size remaining 100 years from now, but a far different outcome is still possible. Tricky to figure out precisely when tons of, say, DMT might be dropped in the water supply as a last ditch effort to wake people up? (Not that I&#039;d have any clue if that was possible, it&#039;s just, you know, a fantasy idea for a little (ok, lot of) consciousness evolutionary nudging.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@ All&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think we can take it as read at this stage that significant numbers of the ruling rich elites are well aware of certainly resource risks etc. &#038; are even enthusiastically anticipating the profit opportunities as demand begins to outstrip supply. These people are fed at the teat in all the ways to manipulate &#039;markets&#039; to their own benefit. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect some are even aware of the climate/ecological risks, but I&#039;d be sure the arrogance &#038; belief in their own invincibilty on the one hand, &#038; their complete disdain for the survival of others on the other, means the ruling classes will never sacrifice one cent of their wealth more than they have to to address these issues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unless we see things the way the really are - placing all the various issues appropriately within the framework of a &#039;class&#039; war, a war for the &#039;democracy&#039; much touted but that we&#039;ve never had, effective opposition &#038; renewal will either not succeed or not be sustained. But it&#039;s a war that the majority can easily win &#038; without violence of any kind. (In fact, lack of violence is one of the things that would truly define such a &#039;victory&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve no great problem with people having wealth, within reason. It can be a useful thing for some &#038; beneficial for society as a whole. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the wealthy have no business whatsover purporting to represent the majority of citizens &#038; should not be allowed to &#039;capture&#039; (the way they have nearly 100% now) the systems, institutions &#038; media who should be representing the majority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The key is to tackle the problem - any problem &#038; particularly corruption by wealth - as close to the source as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So that&#039;s easy. No one who&#039;s job/vocation has a major public (interest) representation element is allowed to become &#039;wealthy&#039; - for life, including spouse. Simple, near 100% effective in removing corruption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ahimsa</p>
<p>No, the ability to support 9 billion requires radically different policies, but there are not really any insoluble physical problems. It&#39;s very late to be making such a transition &amp; we have barely started yet, so the prognosis is poor to say the least &#8211; for many millions now to billions by century end. Right now I would not bet on more than 20% of present poulation size remaining 100 years from now, but a far different outcome is still possible. Tricky to figure out precisely when tons of, say, DMT might be dropped in the water supply as a last ditch effort to wake people up? (Not that I&#39;d have any clue if that was possible, it&#39;s just, you know, a fantasy idea for a little (ok, lot of) consciousness evolutionary nudging.)</p>
<p>@ All</p>
<p>I think we can take it as read at this stage that significant numbers of the ruling rich elites are well aware of certainly resource risks etc. &amp; are even enthusiastically anticipating the profit opportunities as demand begins to outstrip supply. These people are fed at the teat in all the ways to manipulate &#39;markets&#39; to their own benefit. </p>
<p>I suspect some are even aware of the climate/ecological risks, but I&#39;d be sure the arrogance &amp; belief in their own invincibilty on the one hand, &amp; their complete disdain for the survival of others on the other, means the ruling classes will never sacrifice one cent of their wealth more than they have to to address these issues.</p>
<p>Unless we see things the way the really are &#8211; placing all the various issues appropriately within the framework of a &#39;class&#39; war, a war for the &#39;democracy&#39; much touted but that we&#39;ve never had, effective opposition &amp; renewal will either not succeed or not be sustained. But it&#39;s a war that the majority can easily win &amp; without violence of any kind. (In fact, lack of violence is one of the things that would truly define such a &#39;victory&#39;.)</p>
<p>I&#39;ve no great problem with people having wealth, within reason. It can be a useful thing for some &amp; beneficial for society as a whole. </p>
<p>But the wealthy have no business whatsover purporting to represent the majority of citizens &amp; should not be allowed to &#39;capture&#39; (the way they have nearly 100% now) the systems, institutions &amp; media who should be representing the majority.</p>
<p>The key is to tackle the problem &#8211; any problem &amp; particularly corruption by wealth &#8211; as close to the source as possible.</p>
<p>So that&#39;s easy. No one who&#39;s job/vocation has a major public (interest) representation element is allowed to become &#39;wealthy&#39; &#8211; for life, including spouse. Simple, near 100% effective in removing corruption.</p>
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