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		By: BobRocket		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The standard of commentary to Davids post is as usual excellent (I&#039;ve been reading, but not posting for quite a while now).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Greece and the average Greek citizen, forget your pension, that has been stolen, forget retiring, you will work till you drop, consume till you die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the fate of the lower middle and working classes across all of Europe as ordained by the higher classes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can tell that these are the higher classes as the protests ask/demand concessions (the protesters know their place, it is outside the gates)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The protesters validate the high status of the people inside the gates by protesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;#JustStop&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go home.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stop Paying&lt;br /&gt;Stop Consuming&lt;br /&gt;Stop Voting&lt;br /&gt;Stop Validating Their Existence&lt;br /&gt;Dis-Engage&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Start Doing It For Yourselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The standard of commentary to Davids post is as usual excellent (I&#39;ve been reading, but not posting for quite a while now).</p>
<p>Greece and the average Greek citizen, forget your pension, that has been stolen, forget retiring, you will work till you drop, consume till you die.</p>
<p>This is the fate of the lower middle and working classes across all of Europe as ordained by the higher classes.</p>
<p>You can tell that these are the higher classes as the protests ask/demand concessions (the protesters know their place, it is outside the gates)</p>
<p>The protesters validate the high status of the people inside the gates by protesting.</p>
<p>#JustStop</p>
<p>Go home.</p>
<p>Stop Paying<br />Stop Consuming<br />Stop Voting<br />Stop Validating Their Existence<br />Dis-Engage</p>
<p>Start Doing It For Yourselves.</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Neil&lt;br /&gt;   So perhaps the Republicans are just playing to the teaparty gallery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &#038; Lloyds could be up shit creek without a paddle, seems to me that chaos is now in control &#038; it&#039;s hard to keep up with the pace of events . If it hits the UK, it will be some shock to the population as the majority opinion seems to be that it&#039;s those foreign types that are in big trouble, hopefully they will cop on at last.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   I would like to be a fly on the wall to be able to see the reactions of the control freaks &#038; our glorious leaders as they go into headless chicken mode.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   It will be a tragedy for many, many people, chiefly those who are not to blame, but to be honest, if it&#039;s going to happen, sooner the better. Then the real fight begins to make sure those bastards can&#039;t do it again &#038; that we can make the World a fit place for the children. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks Neil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil<br />   So perhaps the Republicans are just playing to the teaparty gallery.</p>
<p>  &amp; Lloyds could be up shit creek without a paddle, seems to me that chaos is now in control &amp; it&#39;s hard to keep up with the pace of events . If it hits the UK, it will be some shock to the population as the majority opinion seems to be that it&#39;s those foreign types that are in big trouble, hopefully they will cop on at last.</p>
<p>   I would like to be a fly on the wall to be able to see the reactions of the control freaks &amp; our glorious leaders as they go into headless chicken mode.</p>
<p>   It will be a tragedy for many, many people, chiefly those who are not to blame, but to be honest, if it&#39;s going to happen, sooner the better. Then the real fight begins to make sure those bastards can&#39;t do it again &amp; that we can make the World a fit place for the children. </p>
<p>Thanks Neil.</p>
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		By: Neil		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@steviefinn&lt;br /&gt;According to http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/07/11/debt-default-debt-ceiling/ :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says this in Section 4:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, this clause is a green light for the President to force Congress to fulfill the debt obligations of the United States, whether it likes it or not… and Republicans are very aware of this.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, on the domestic front, see http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sigma-x-trading-suggests-european-contagion-may-be-shifting-italy-uk#comments .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steviefinn<br />According to <a href="http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/07/11/debt-default-debt-ceiling/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/07/11/debt-default-debt-ceiling/</a> :</p>
<p>&quot;The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says this in Section 4:</p>
<p>    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.</p>
<p>Basically, this clause is a green light for the President to force Congress to fulfill the debt obligations of the United States, whether it likes it or not… and Republicans are very aware of this.&quot;</p>
<p>However, on the domestic front, see <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sigma-x-trading-suggests-european-contagion-may-be-shifting-italy-uk#comments" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sigma-x-trading-suggests-european-contagion-may-be-shifting-italy-uk#comments</a> .</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ignore that previous comment. I haven&#039;t posted here for a while because blogspot has become troublesome with my google id. Anyway, this post really goes with the previous link to the Guardian but most people probably read comments on the latest blog entry so that&#039;s why. Anyway, according to the Guardian article, EFG is 44% owned by the Latsis family who are the largest bond holder for Greek debt. Spiro Latsis seems to be top dog and according to the Wikipedia article has a personal fortune of 9 BN (how much has the family combined?).  Oh, and he is a friend from economics school with Jose Manuel Baroso!&lt;br /&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiros_Latsis]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore that previous comment. I haven&#39;t posted here for a while because blogspot has become troublesome with my google id. Anyway, this post really goes with the previous link to the Guardian but most people probably read comments on the latest blog entry so that&#39;s why. Anyway, according to the Guardian article, EFG is 44% owned by the Latsis family who are the largest bond holder for Greek debt. Spiro Latsis seems to be top dog and according to the Wikipedia article has a personal fortune of 9 BN (how much has the family combined?).  Oh, and he is a friend from economics school with Jose Manuel Baroso!<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiros_Latsis" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiros_Latsis</a></p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiros_Latsis]]></description>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Neil&lt;br /&gt;   I&#039;m a conspiracy theorist before the event, hopefully &#038; most likely it will be like all my predictions, totally wrong. It just seems to me that the lunatics are truly running the asylum. I don&#039;t really worry about these things, on a conscious level anyway &#038; I don&#039;t sleep that well anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   The Murdoch thing &#038; Cameron&#039;s embarrassment have been a silver lining, it&#039;s just great to see petty tyrants up to their eyeballs in the same stuff as they peddle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neil<br />   I&#39;m a conspiracy theorist before the event, hopefully &amp; most likely it will be like all my predictions, totally wrong. It just seems to me that the lunatics are truly running the asylum. I don&#39;t really worry about these things, on a conscious level anyway &amp; I don&#39;t sleep that well anyway.</p>
<p>   The Murdoch thing &amp; Cameron&#39;s embarrassment have been a silver lining, it&#39;s just great to see petty tyrants up to their eyeballs in the same stuff as they peddle.</p>
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		By: Neil		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish I could, but anything is possible. Try not to lose sleep worrying about what might happen - good things can happen too (eg on the Murdoch front - and who knows where that might lead?).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could, but anything is possible. Try not to lose sleep worrying about what might happen &#8211; good things can happen too (eg on the Murdoch front &#8211; and who knows where that might lead?).</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It might then be a good time to do what is necessary to kick Gaddafi out of Libya &#038; feast on his riches &#038; while we are at it, maybe sort out those Iranians, or whoever else stands in our way,because at the send of the day, Who is going to stop us ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Next week should be interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Please somebody, tell me I&#039;m mad, stupid, badly informed or whatever &#038; that there is no chance of this happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might then be a good time to do what is necessary to kick Gaddafi out of Libya &amp; feast on his riches &amp; while we are at it, maybe sort out those Iranians, or whoever else stands in our way,because at the send of the day, Who is going to stop us ?</p>
<p>  Next week should be interesting.</p>
<p> Please somebody, tell me I&#39;m mad, stupid, badly informed or whatever &amp; that there is no chance of this happening.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think they realise that the cupboard is now bare &#038; that they will not be able to rely on any more bail-outs, as the US is skint. A piece from Max Keiser detailing JP Morgans derivative mountain :-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://maxkeiser.com/2011/07/02/accordingly-it-sure-is-a-good-thing-that-the-world%e2%80%99s-biggest-derivatives-player-j-p-morgan-has-%e2%80%9cseemingly%e2%80%9d-never-ever-made-a-bet-even-%e2%80%9c1-wrong%e2%80%9d-with-t/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  The major individuals would have obviously stached away plenty for a rainy day re:- Golem, Swiss deposit a/cs etc, but I am sure they will have a plan B on how to keep the game going.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  I am trying to think this through as though I am a person who lives for power &#038; has no empathy. So what to do ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Get rid of Obama, install a face, such as Palin, who will be happy to do whatever is necessary to keep order &#038; to deflect attention onto suitable scapegoats. I am assuming that in the chaos, the rest of the world, with their puppet governments would be adopting similar measures. This would be a perfect situation for the widespread application of Neo-liberalism &#038; the milking of whole populations &#038; states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they realise that the cupboard is now bare &amp; that they will not be able to rely on any more bail-outs, as the US is skint. A piece from Max Keiser detailing JP Morgans derivative mountain :-</p>
<p><a href="http://maxkeiser.com/2011/07/02/accordingly-it-sure-is-a-good-thing-that-the-world%e2%80%99s-biggest-derivatives-player-j-p-morgan-has-%e2%80%9cseemingly%e2%80%9d-never-ever-made-a-bet-even-%e2%80%9c1-wrong%e2%80%9d-with-t/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://maxkeiser.com/2011/07/02/accordingly-it-sure-is-a-good-thing-that-the-world%e2%80%99s-biggest-derivatives-player-j-p-morgan-has-%e2%80%9cseemingly%e2%80%9d-never-ever-made-a-bet-even-%e2%80%9c1-wrong%e2%80%9d-with-t/</a></p>
<p>  The major individuals would have obviously stached away plenty for a rainy day re:- Golem, Swiss deposit a/cs etc, but I am sure they will have a plan B on how to keep the game going.</p>
<p>  I am trying to think this through as though I am a person who lives for power &amp; has no empathy. So what to do ?</p>
<p>  Get rid of Obama, install a face, such as Palin, who will be happy to do whatever is necessary to keep order &amp; to deflect attention onto suitable scapegoats. I am assuming that in the chaos, the rest of the world, with their puppet governments would be adopting similar measures. This would be a perfect situation for the widespread application of Neo-liberalism &amp; the milking of whole populations &amp; states.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t sleep last night thinking about recent &#038; not so recent events. I came up with an idea of what might be going on, especially in regards to the US. This could all be built on my feverish imagination, combined with my basic but enougth to get me by, knowledge of the financial world. I make assumptions, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-the-whole-world-thinks-republicans-are-dangerous-maniacs-2011-7?utm_source=Triggermail&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_term=Business+Insider+Select&#038;utm_campaign=BI_Select_071511#ixzz1SJ12&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  This whole business of the Republicans blocking the raise in the deficit ceiling. The politicians involved might be looney right wingers, but I think those who control them, the financial elite know the score. I think that they know that the Euro will collapse, sooner or later. Assumption:- this will result in the collapse of most of the world&#039;s economies, including the US. So knowing this they are using the ratings agencies, controlled by them to &#034;Bring it on &#034; I think they would prefer Obama to be in as big a mess as possible, seeing as it is coming anyway, the debt ceiling issue is part of the plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t sleep last night thinking about recent &amp; not so recent events. I came up with an idea of what might be going on, especially in regards to the US. This could all be built on my feverish imagination, combined with my basic but enougth to get me by, knowledge of the financial world. I make assumptions, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-the-whole-world-thinks-republicans-are-dangerous-maniacs-2011-7?utm_source=Triggermail&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_term=Business+Insider+Select&#038;utm_campaign=BI_Select_071511#ixzz1SJ12" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-the-whole-world-thinks-republicans-are-dangerous-maniacs-2011-7?utm_source=Triggermail&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_term=Business+Insider+Select&#038;utm_campaign=BI_Select_071511#ixzz1SJ12</a></p>
<p>  This whole business of the Republicans blocking the raise in the deficit ceiling. The politicians involved might be looney right wingers, but I think those who control them, the financial elite know the score. I think that they know that the Euro will collapse, sooner or later. Assumption:- this will result in the collapse of most of the world&#39;s economies, including the US. So knowing this they are using the ratings agencies, controlled by them to &quot;Bring it on &quot; I think they would prefer Obama to be in as big a mess as possible, seeing as it is coming anyway, the debt ceiling issue is part of the plan.</p>
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