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		By: Demon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spanish translation available here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://toponium-es.blogspot.com/2011/08/lo-que-en-realidad-hacen-las-agencias.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spanish translation available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://toponium-es.blogspot.com/2011/08/lo-que-en-realidad-hacen-las-agencias.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://toponium-es.blogspot.com/2011/08/lo-que-en-realidad-hacen-las-agencias.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I look forward to that. As many others have commented, your writing on these topics has been excellent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t know how much you&#039;ve absorbed as yet about MMT? It&#039;s taken me a while, reading around a lot of blogs, to get to what I feel is now a good overview of the key points &#038; arguments. I&#039;ve not really found one single source that covers it in a thorough way accessible to a non trained economist. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, partly for your benefit, and for the benefit of other interested readers here, there is one MMT blog that I would reccomend as a starting point. It is that of Prof Bill Mitchell, University of Newcastle, NSW, Australia, for his superb commentary from an MMT perspective on the recent &#039;manufactured&#039; debt ceiling &#039;crisis&#039; in the US.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In particular, I believe the commentary translates directly to the UK &#038; the UK government&#039;s ideological choice of devastating &#038; entirely unneccesary &#039;austerity&#039; program. Several posts over the last weeks here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Usefully, Prof Mitchell provides links in his pieces to further explanation of the concepts &#038; principles covered in previous blogs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>I look forward to that. As many others have commented, your writing on these topics has been excellent.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know how much you&#39;ve absorbed as yet about MMT? It&#39;s taken me a while, reading around a lot of blogs, to get to what I feel is now a good overview of the key points &amp; arguments. I&#39;ve not really found one single source that covers it in a thorough way accessible to a non trained economist. </p>
<p>So, partly for your benefit, and for the benefit of other interested readers here, there is one MMT blog that I would reccomend as a starting point. It is that of Prof Bill Mitchell, University of Newcastle, NSW, Australia, for his superb commentary from an MMT perspective on the recent &#39;manufactured&#39; debt ceiling &#39;crisis&#39; in the US.</p>
<p>In particular, I believe the commentary translates directly to the UK &amp; the UK government&#39;s ideological choice of devastating &amp; entirely unneccesary &#39;austerity&#39; program. Several posts over the last weeks here:</p>
<p><a href="http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/</a></p>
<p>Usefully, Prof Mitchell provides links in his pieces to further explanation of the concepts &amp; principles covered in previous blogs.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mike,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will write aboutv MMT soon, I promise, and add my little bit to the tide of opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike,</p>
<p>I will write aboutv MMT soon, I promise, and add my little bit to the tide of opinion.</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No worries David. Hope whatever bad situation you&#039;re having can sort itself out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess I&#039;m very keen to see MMT/full reserve proposals get a good airing. They seem to have such transforming potential, I think if the public were aware of how easily things could be changed &#038; how much better off we&#039;d be, they would be absolutely outraged that authorities are sitting on their hands, allowing the banks to rule &#038; letting so many suffer unneccesary hardship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries David. Hope whatever bad situation you&#39;re having can sort itself out.</p>
<p>I guess I&#39;m very keen to see MMT/full reserve proposals get a good airing. They seem to have such transforming potential, I think if the public were aware of how easily things could be changed &amp; how much better off we&#39;d be, they would be absolutely outraged that authorities are sitting on their hands, allowing the banks to rule &amp; letting so many suffer unneccesary hardship.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
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		By: Golem XIV - Thoughts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV - Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeHall,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for not replying, Mike. Been a bad time. For what its worth MMT seems to me to be a large part of the solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeHall,</p>
<p>Sorry for not replying, Mike. Been a bad time. For what its worth MMT seems to me to be a large part of the solution.</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Golem,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bit disappointed you haven&#039;t replied to or even aknowledged the emails I&#039;ve sent you regarding MMT &#038; positivemoney.org&#039;s monetary system reform proposals?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Full reserve banking &#038; MMT fiscal management)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Submission-to-ICB-4-July-11-Positive-Money-nef-Soton-Uni1.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A solution to the US debt ceiling (artificial &#039;crisis&#039; along MMT principles is put forward here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.correntewire.com/beyond_the_debt_ceiling_the_30_trillion_plan_for_ending_borrowing_and_the_national_debt&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Full explanation of why minting a $30T coin is not inflationary here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/08/coin-seignorage-and-inflation.html#comments&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Professor Yamaguchi of Doshisha University, Kyoto, Japan has done extensive economic modelling comparing the present debt money (bankstas free lunch) system with what he terms a &#039;public money&#039; system (essentially, again, full reserve &#038; MMT), paper here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The approach of all these is offering a real solution to the banks&#039; scams &#038; public finance economic warfare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Golem,</p>
<p>Bit disappointed you haven&#39;t replied to or even aknowledged the emails I&#39;ve sent you regarding MMT &amp; positivemoney.org&#39;s monetary system reform proposals?</p>
<p>(Full reserve banking &amp; MMT fiscal management)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Submission-to-ICB-4-July-11-Positive-Money-nef-Soton-Uni1.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Submission-to-ICB-4-July-11-Positive-Money-nef-Soton-Uni1.pdf</a></p>
<p>A solution to the US debt ceiling (artificial &#39;crisis&#39; along MMT principles is put forward here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.correntewire.com/beyond_the_debt_ceiling_the_30_trillion_plan_for_ending_borrowing_and_the_national_debt" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.correntewire.com/beyond_the_debt_ceiling_the_30_trillion_plan_for_ending_borrowing_and_the_national_debt</a></p>
<p>Full explanation of why minting a $30T coin is not inflationary here:</p>
<p><a href="http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/08/coin-seignorage-and-inflation.html#comments" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/08/coin-seignorage-and-inflation.html#comments</a></p>
<p>Professor Yamaguchi of Doshisha University, Kyoto, Japan has done extensive economic modelling comparing the present debt money (bankstas free lunch) system with what he terms a &#39;public money&#39; system (essentially, again, full reserve &amp; MMT), paper here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf</a></p>
<p>The approach of all these is offering a real solution to the banks&#39; scams &amp; public finance economic warfare.</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steviefinn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A step in the right direction ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/31/public-jury-campaign-feral-elite]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A step in the right direction ?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/31/public-jury-campaign-feral-elite" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/31/public-jury-campaign-feral-elite</a></p>
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		By: Neil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;Could Iceland be a model for debt-ridden Europe?&#034;, asks a BBC correspondent: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9550667.stm .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Includes an interview with Icelandic president Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, who says listening to the credit ratings agencies was a mistake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Could Iceland be a model for debt-ridden Europe?&quot;, asks a BBC correspondent: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9550667.stm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9550667.stm</a> .</p>
<p>Includes an interview with Icelandic president Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, who says listening to the credit ratings agencies was a mistake.</p>
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		By: princesschipchops		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the ratings agencies don&#039;t downgrade the US now with the news of the rather shocking growth figures then we know it is a rigged game. Because even if a debt deal is reached how can the US sort out it&#039;s deficit without growth?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They&#039;re in a very tight spot. If they keep on spending they&#039;ll grow their deficit. If they cut they&#039;ll enter a deflationary spiral and that will - grow the deficit. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way it looks pretty bad. So the ratings agencies should be downgrading US debt right now anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Things are NOT looking good globally. One has to wonder though if we&#039;ll see another repeat of the same old patterns of the game so far. So the US gets a last minute debt agreement. Then Bernanke announces due to dire growth, more QE. The banks and Wall St rejoice, &#039;the markets&#039; shoot up again. Lots of money is made by a few. Europe agrees more public money to bail out the private banks, the markets celebrate - yeilds fall slightly - everything looks good. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the whole thing will just turn to crap again, sooner or later, because nothing fundamental has changed or been addressed. i really am quite, quite frightened now for how this will play out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the ratings agencies don&#39;t downgrade the US now with the news of the rather shocking growth figures then we know it is a rigged game. Because even if a debt deal is reached how can the US sort out it&#39;s deficit without growth?</p>
<p>They&#39;re in a very tight spot. If they keep on spending they&#39;ll grow their deficit. If they cut they&#39;ll enter a deflationary spiral and that will &#8211; grow the deficit. </p>
<p>Either way it looks pretty bad. So the ratings agencies should be downgrading US debt right now anyway.</p>
<p>Things are NOT looking good globally. One has to wonder though if we&#39;ll see another repeat of the same old patterns of the game so far. So the US gets a last minute debt agreement. Then Bernanke announces due to dire growth, more QE. The banks and Wall St rejoice, &#39;the markets&#39; shoot up again. Lots of money is made by a few. Europe agrees more public money to bail out the private banks, the markets celebrate &#8211; yeilds fall slightly &#8211; everything looks good. </p>
<p>But the whole thing will just turn to crap again, sooner or later, because nothing fundamental has changed or been addressed. i really am quite, quite frightened now for how this will play out.</p>
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		By: fitzy103		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Says it all about the ratings that the US are still rated at AAA a couple of days before a potential default. Even if no agreement wouldn&#039;t trigger a default, its ludacris that they are rated the same as they were in 2003. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, whats the point of so many similarly named ratings. So you get downgraded from Aa3 to A1. Is that the dumbest system in the world, or like that to deliberately mislead normal people reading the papers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Says it all about the ratings that the US are still rated at AAA a couple of days before a potential default. Even if no agreement wouldn&#39;t trigger a default, its ludacris that they are rated the same as they were in 2003. </p>
<p>Also, whats the point of so many similarly named ratings. So you get downgraded from Aa3 to A1. Is that the dumbest system in the world, or like that to deliberately mislead normal people reading the papers.</p>
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