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		By: mikehall		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/08/bank-losses-and-fire-sales-confirmed-and-spreading/#comment-4723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikehall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mercury4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would also add mainstream media &#038; mainstream economists to your list of the &#039;lobotomised&#039; by gangsta capitalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the last days events certainly add weight to &#039;implosion&#039;. But I guess you&#039;d agree that implosion would not be seen by banksters as really in their interests? (If you believe so, I&#039;d be interested to hear views on that?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Massive greed and corruption is a given, &#038; also stupid &#038; sufficiently out of control to cause total collapse is highly plausible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I&#039;m still hanging on to the idea (just) that the gangstas are pushing things to the brink in order to turn the ECB into a &#039;Fed&#039; run by the major players exclusively in their interests &#038; with even less oversight (if that&#039;s possible?). (As part of the major ramping up of all the other assaults of the ongoing economic warfare on citizens, that is.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mercury4</p>
<p>I would also add mainstream media &amp; mainstream economists to your list of the &#39;lobotomised&#39; by gangsta capitalism.</p>
<p>And the last days events certainly add weight to &#39;implosion&#39;. But I guess you&#39;d agree that implosion would not be seen by banksters as really in their interests? (If you believe so, I&#39;d be interested to hear views on that?)</p>
<p>Massive greed and corruption is a given, &amp; also stupid &amp; sufficiently out of control to cause total collapse is highly plausible.</p>
<p>But I&#39;m still hanging on to the idea (just) that the gangstas are pushing things to the brink in order to turn the ECB into a &#39;Fed&#39; run by the major players exclusively in their interests &amp; with even less oversight (if that&#39;s possible?). (As part of the major ramping up of all the other assaults of the ongoing economic warfare on citizens, that is.)</p>
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		By: forensicstatistician		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forensicstatistician]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@bill&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think Golem deserves credit for that belter!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill</p>
<p>I think Golem deserves credit for that belter!</p>
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		By: bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ FS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I rather fell over laughing at that one too and I will be spreading Charlies&#039; comment far and wide. I love this this site. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My own favourite, I cna&#039;t remember wether hawkeye (aka FS) or golem asked this question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Banks for  decades have had the entire system rigged in their favour, recieved trillions in bail outs and still they manage to monumentally f+++ things up. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just how rotten can a system be?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ FS</p>
<p>I rather fell over laughing at that one too and I will be spreading Charlies&#39; comment far and wide. I love this this site. </p>
<p>My own favourite, I cna&#39;t remember wether hawkeye (aka FS) or golem asked this question.</p>
<p>Banks for  decades have had the entire system rigged in their favour, recieved trillions in bail outs and still they manage to monumentally f+++ things up. </p>
<p>Just how rotten can a system be?</p>
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		By: forensicstatistician		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forensicstatistician]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps all of us here have got it all wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr Osborne thinks everything is fine and dandy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;And stick to our plan that has made Britain a safe haven in the global debt storm.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s right. Austerity and inflation to  socialise the losses while privatising the gains is the perfect strategy for weathering this little storm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or maybe those words will come back to haunt him.......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps all of us here have got it all wrong.</p>
<p>Mr Osborne thinks everything is fine and dandy:</p>
<p>&quot;And stick to our plan that has made Britain a safe haven in the global debt storm.&quot;</p>
<p>That&#39;s right. Austerity and inflation to  socialise the losses while privatising the gains is the perfect strategy for weathering this little storm.</p>
<p>Or maybe those words will come back to haunt him&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/08/bank-losses-and-fire-sales-confirmed-and-spreading/#comment-4690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikehall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;European Central Bank &#038; the sovereign raiders&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ass Prof Bill Black (UMKC) on Real News&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=7147]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#39;European Central Bank &amp; the sovereign raiders&#39;</p>
<p>Ass Prof Bill Black (UMKC) on Real News</p>
<p><a href="http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=7147" rel="nofollow ugc">http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=31&#038;Itemid=74&#038;jumival=7147</a></p>
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		By: forensicstatistician		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/08/bank-losses-and-fire-sales-confirmed-and-spreading/#comment-4689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forensicstatistician]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great comment Charlie:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;The same people that called on government to stop interfering with &#039;market efficiency&#039; now complain about lack of political leadership!&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also like the way that in a free market economy, where the market is deemed to be an expert at price discovery, there are &#034;interventions&#034; such as this by the CME to prevent Gold from rapidly rising:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;The CME announced margin requirements on gold will rise by over 22% by close of business today. This saw an initial slight sell off prior to further gains.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If these &#034;interventions&#034; can then drive prices in a desired direction, then surely we can&#039;t call them &#034;free markets&#034; can we!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment Charlie:</p>
<p>&quot;The same people that called on government to stop interfering with &#39;market efficiency&#39; now complain about lack of political leadership!&quot;</p>
<p>I also like the way that in a free market economy, where the market is deemed to be an expert at price discovery, there are &quot;interventions&quot; such as this by the CME to prevent Gold from rapidly rising:</p>
<p>&quot;The CME announced margin requirements on gold will rise by over 22% by close of business today. This saw an initial slight sell off prior to further gains.&quot;</p>
<p>If these &quot;interventions&quot; can then drive prices in a desired direction, then surely we can&#39;t call them &quot;free markets&quot; can we!</p>
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		By: Mercury4		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/08/bank-losses-and-fire-sales-confirmed-and-spreading/#comment-4686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mercury4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello mikehall,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Governments have been lobotimised by gangsta capitalism.  Over the years they have painted the system into an ever narrowing corner by trying to chase away all risk for the gangstas&#039;, at everyone and everything else&#039;s expense.  Now, the system cannot move forwards or back.  It can only implode...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello mikehall,</p>
<p>Governments have been lobotimised by gangsta capitalism.  Over the years they have painted the system into an ever narrowing corner by trying to chase away all risk for the gangstas&#39;, at everyone and everything else&#39;s expense.  Now, the system cannot move forwards or back.  It can only implode&#8230;</p>
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		By: mikehall		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/08/bank-losses-and-fire-sales-confirmed-and-spreading/#comment-4682</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikehall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mercury4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Real recovery &#038; a far more sustainable system can be achieved far quicker if government(s) (as sovereign currency issuer net &#039;deficit&#039; spend into the economy free of debt (MMT monetary economics). This will have a particularly strong effect in reducing the debt/monetary base ratio in present circumstances, because substantial net government spend is required to aggregate demand back up to optimal use of resources (esp labour).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See Prof Yamaguchi&#039;s substantially researched modelling here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mercury4</p>
<p>Real recovery &amp; a far more sustainable system can be achieved far quicker if government(s) (as sovereign currency issuer net &#39;deficit&#39; spend into the economy free of debt (MMT monetary economics). This will have a particularly strong effect in reducing the debt/monetary base ratio in present circumstances, because substantial net government spend is required to aggregate demand back up to optimal use of resources (esp labour).</p>
<p>See Prof Yamaguchi&#39;s substantially researched modelling here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Demon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Charlie:&lt;br /&gt;&#034;The same people that called on government to stop interfering with &#039;market efficiency&#039; now complain about lack of political leadership! &#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Great one! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charlie:<br />&quot;The same people that called on government to stop interfering with &#39;market efficiency&#39; now complain about lack of political leadership! &quot;</p>
<p>Great one! 🙂</p>
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		By: Mercury4		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mercury4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Golem,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It will be one for the ages when it all goes down. Typically, it takes 1 hour to process a standard serve of alcohol. 10 standard drinks - 10 hours.  If we might be so audacious as to apply this analogy to our 30 year credit binge, then is a 20 or even 30 year period of &#034;recovery&#034; out of the question?  Where excessive risk, extreme bullishness and wishful thinking - also known as Neoliberalism,  will need a generation to be erased from the memory of man, for all time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golem,</p>
<p>It will be one for the ages when it all goes down. Typically, it takes 1 hour to process a standard serve of alcohol. 10 standard drinks &#8211; 10 hours.  If we might be so audacious as to apply this analogy to our 30 year credit binge, then is a 20 or even 30 year period of &quot;recovery&quot; out of the question?  Where excessive risk, extreme bullishness and wishful thinking &#8211; also known as Neoliberalism,  will need a generation to be erased from the memory of man, for all time.</p>
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