Thanks

Ben, I understand where you are coming from and maybe the Labour Party are not the vehicle to get the change that is needed. However, I feel there is already an existing base of support for change in the interest of the wider good in the Labour Party. Although I doubt those at the top share that interest, I know those at the bottom do. I’ve been debating with myself on ways to do this. Some involved enacting a party wide strike by all the grass roots members in the party until change comes, while some involve trying to change peoples views one by one.

Labour was founded at a time to give people a voice who didn’t have one. The underlying principles for the party are still there regardless of what those at the top have tried to do. It angers me no end when I think about what the Labour party have become. They are supposed to be a party made up of working people who care about society. But what it has become is a vehicle for people to have a career. The current Labour Party is not going to bring about change, but I feel it has the potential to do so if the party can be won back. Seeing people like Ed Balls in the party breaks my heart. The Tories and Lib Dems have always been parties for the establishment, the Labour Party should not, and must not be like them. Otherwise what hope do we have?

Hi adundeemonkey, I’m with you re trying to make change happen (especially after attending David’s talk last night)! But I’m interested in why you’ve chosen joining the Labour Party as the means? We obviously need ways of coming together in sufficient numbers to achieve change and in the past these were the political parties, and hopefully can be again. I rather think at the moment though that they might not be appropriate vehicles for it and we rather need to come together in a new mass movement to achieve our own Arab-spring equivalent. I suppose the Occupy movement is the nearest thing so far, and perhaps the myriad of organisations and protest groups will at some point reach that tipping point and all coalesce to demand and achieve the changes we seek. I’m worried though that this might not happen and how I can most effectively contribute to achieving that.

I hope there is a good turnout and that there are some people who are opening their eyes for the first time to what is actually happening.

Me and Keekster were also at the positive money meeting a few weeks back and the more people like you can spread the word the better.

I myself joined the Labour Party because I am fed up of the politics in this country. The reason we have got to where we have is because the socialist parties throughout the western world have been hijacked by a so called ‘thinking’ elite. I may end up at a dead end, but I thought I’d give it a go trying to get change happening. There are many people at the grass roots of the Labour Party who do not have the same views as those at the top. Until this group regain control then the current system will not end without some form of revolt.

As each day passes, I sadly can’t see how things will not change without it all hitting the fan. The thing that saddens me the most with this is that this is all avoidable, but for the greed by the elite who believe their end game of domination over the masses is achievable.

Certainly be there just round the road from my office, see if I can round up some likeminds too

Cheers
Jason

I thought the recent piece on Iran was also very good. For any one interested in this stuff one can do a lot worse than go back and revisit some of Noam Chomsky’s stuff on the Iran Contras, Sandinistas, Haitis Etc South American CIA intrigues in the 70’s and 80’s and one George Bush senior.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27864

The credibility of Anonymous is somewhat enhanced by various successful hacker attacks that have been attributed to it. But again, only the naive could believe the authorities couldn’t put a stop to this, if the perpetrators really were grassroots activists trying to take down the system. In fact, the hacker attacks, as well as Anonymous itself, are undoubtedly false-flag operations of the Pentagon’s new Cyber Warfare division, carrying out its part in the class war against we the people.

Apart from propagating an anti-system message, and channeling the attention of some number of naive people, it is not clear what the real purpose of Anonymous is. My best guess at this point is that a really outrageous and unpopular hacker attack will come along, Anonymous will claim credit, and that will be used as an excuse to seriously crack down on the use of the Internet by genuine activists. The Internet would then be politically sterilized, giving Internet psy-ops a clear field.”

Curtailing the Internet with a false hacker attack? Using agents provocateurs (admitted to after rock-throwing plainclothes officers were photographed all wearing their police-issue boots at the G20 Conference in Toronto) in order to crack down on protesting?

Makes you wonder what is REALLY going on, doesn’t it?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27891

General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to “destroy the governments in … Iraq, … Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27906

Get in and control these countries before the next superpower comes on stream?