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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope this might be of interest -  I&#039;ve made an online cartoon generator where people can make their own political cartoons to support OccupyLSX 

http://occupylondon-withcartoons.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this might be of interest &#8211;  I&#8217;ve made an online cartoon generator where people can make their own political cartoons to support OccupyLSX </p>
<p><a href="http://occupylondon-withcartoons.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://occupylondon-withcartoons.org</a></p>
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		By: John Souter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Souter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8442&quot;&gt;Joe R&lt;/a&gt;.

Joe R -right on the nail -it&#039;s the &#039;virtual&#039; gone viral.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8442">Joe R</a>.</p>
<p>Joe R -right on the nail -it&#8217;s the &#8216;virtual&#8217; gone viral.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8345&quot;&gt;steviefinn&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice find with the graphic there Steve

God bless our banks eh!]]></description>
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<p>Nice find with the graphic there Steve</p>
<p>God bless our banks eh!</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8342&quot;&gt;Hawkeye&lt;/a&gt;.

He&#039;ll get a good reception, my mate organised it having seen David at our talk in Manchester. ; )

As for the perception of the unions in Middle England, well when you&#039;ve got the likes of Peter Hitchens still ranting about &#039;wreckers&#039; and the Winter of Discontent 32 years after it happened what do you expect?

I&#039;ve travelled to over 53 countries and one thing I have noticed is how politically illiterate and how ignorant of history so many people in this country are in comparison with people i&#039;ve met abroad. And i&#039;m talking about well educated people here too.

The likes of the Mail and the Express aren&#039;t newspapers, they are exercises in cognitive dissonance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8342">Hawkeye</a>.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll get a good reception, my mate organised it having seen David at our talk in Manchester. ; )</p>
<p>As for the perception of the unions in Middle England, well when you&#8217;ve got the likes of Peter Hitchens still ranting about &#8216;wreckers&#8217; and the Winter of Discontent 32 years after it happened what do you expect?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve travelled to over 53 countries and one thing I have noticed is how politically illiterate and how ignorant of history so many people in this country are in comparison with people i&#8217;ve met abroad. And i&#8217;m talking about well educated people here too.</p>
<p>The likes of the Mail and the Express aren&#8217;t newspapers, they are exercises in cognitive dissonance.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8428&quot;&gt;Neil (the original one)&lt;/a&gt;.

Spot on!

There is no-one with a greater sense of entitlement than her kind.]]></description>
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<p>Spot on!</p>
<p>There is no-one with a greater sense of entitlement than her kind.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8364&quot;&gt;Golem XIV&lt;/a&gt;.

Just seen this David.

I&#039;ll call tomorrow night (Wednesday)

I&#039;ve written to my MP about those videos. I don&#039;t expect much but I want a reply and for it to move into some form of wider public record.]]></description>
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<p>Just seen this David.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll call tomorrow night (Wednesday)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written to my MP about those videos. I don&#8217;t expect much but I want a reply and for it to move into some form of wider public record.</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8395&quot;&gt;John Souter&lt;/a&gt;.

You got me thinking about them monkeys. It reminded me of a docu I saw some time ago called &quot;Status Anxiety&quot; by Alain De Botton. He made the point that through most of human history mankind has &quot;known it&#039;s place&quot;. People were born into a class &#038; for the majority it is where they stayed, or if there was movement it would likely be terrifyingly downward, as described by Dickens &#038; Austen in their novels. Bubonic plague did more for the serfs than rebellion could have &#038; I have read that slaves in the Roman empire over 100s of years were for the most part in a better position than the free citizens, as they were at least guaranteed sustenance &#038; their owners would hopefully take into consideration their monetary value, with regards to their treatment. I think I am right in saying that the only large scale revolt was the one led by Spartacus.
  
It&#039;s easy to take for granted how long it took for us to get some time in the pool, we are a very short time away from when huge numbers of working class girls &#038; boys fully expected to go into service &#038; pregnant women &#038; young children worked down coal mines. It took parliament something like 120 years to ban child labour. I remember my Grandfather, a miner from age 14, very intelligent, who died fairly young of silicosis, he fully accepted his position in life &#038; knew his place. I suppose it must have been the accepted way of things, else D.H. Lawrence wouldn&#039;t have been such a rarity or novelty.

The elite have possibly found that us 6.8 billion or so are ruining the pond for them. We are no longer much use to them &#038; as Kissinger said we are &quot; Useless feeders&quot; who are nowadays fully expectant in wanting to share in the ponds riches. We certainly no longer know our place &#038; instead dream of fame, riches &#038; easy lives. Maybe certain people would welcome a huge war or pandemic, who knows ?

I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s in the same programme but Alain also talks about Socrates getting into trouble with the authorities for corrupting the youth. One way he was said to have done this, was by declaring that just because someone has status &#038; acts like they know what they are talking about, it doesn&#039;t mean that  they do. A good lesson for today, It&#039;s apparent that most people look for someone (alpha male ?) of status to follow  &#038; a lot of people will believe anybody if they are on the telly.

Here&#039;s a link  for the prog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=CERfoDIU2Yw]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8395">John Souter</a>.</p>
<p>You got me thinking about them monkeys. It reminded me of a docu I saw some time ago called &#8220;Status Anxiety&#8221; by Alain De Botton. He made the point that through most of human history mankind has &#8220;known it&#8217;s place&#8221;. People were born into a class &amp; for the majority it is where they stayed, or if there was movement it would likely be terrifyingly downward, as described by Dickens &amp; Austen in their novels. Bubonic plague did more for the serfs than rebellion could have &amp; I have read that slaves in the Roman empire over 100s of years were for the most part in a better position than the free citizens, as they were at least guaranteed sustenance &amp; their owners would hopefully take into consideration their monetary value, with regards to their treatment. I think I am right in saying that the only large scale revolt was the one led by Spartacus.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to take for granted how long it took for us to get some time in the pool, we are a very short time away from when huge numbers of working class girls &amp; boys fully expected to go into service &amp; pregnant women &amp; young children worked down coal mines. It took parliament something like 120 years to ban child labour. I remember my Grandfather, a miner from age 14, very intelligent, who died fairly young of silicosis, he fully accepted his position in life &amp; knew his place. I suppose it must have been the accepted way of things, else D.H. Lawrence wouldn&#8217;t have been such a rarity or novelty.</p>
<p>The elite have possibly found that us 6.8 billion or so are ruining the pond for them. We are no longer much use to them &amp; as Kissinger said we are &#8221; Useless feeders&#8221; who are nowadays fully expectant in wanting to share in the ponds riches. We certainly no longer know our place &amp; instead dream of fame, riches &amp; easy lives. Maybe certain people would welcome a huge war or pandemic, who knows ?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s in the same programme but Alain also talks about Socrates getting into trouble with the authorities for corrupting the youth. One way he was said to have done this, was by declaring that just because someone has status &amp; acts like they know what they are talking about, it doesn&#8217;t mean that  they do. A good lesson for today, It&#8217;s apparent that most people look for someone (alpha male ?) of status to follow  &amp; a lot of people will believe anybody if they are on the telly.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link  for the prog.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=CERfoDIU2Yw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=CERfoDIU2Yw</a></p>
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		By: Joe R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Further in relation to your own, what I feel is very inflamatory language at the start of your piece, David heres a recent extract from the International Business Times on Angela Merkels most recent speech;

&quot;LEIPZIG, Germany, Nov 14 - Warning that Europe faced its &quot;toughest hour since World War Two,&quot; German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged her party to set aside its misgivings about the euro and accept closer political integration as a solution to the bloc&#039;s deepening debt crisis.&quot; http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/249098/20111114/merkel-says-europe-faces-toughest-challenge-wwii.htm

I would have thought the Berlin airlift and Cuban missle crisis or ethnic cleaning in the Balkans in the 90s were more signifcant - where devastating convential war/ nuclear war could have been the price for one false move or where a modern European population was busily engaged in genocide on our EU doorstep while the rest of us other Europeans looked on ( and didn&#039;t lift a finger for quite a long time ).

Look at the language here in Merkels speech, with its elevating of this monetary and financial crisis to a level above historically, a potentially devestating war or potential nuclear holocaust or actual recent genocide. This is part of the shock mechanism - the very the fear mechanism at work here to bring the populations of Europe under foot. Its like a psychological infection, it gets people into thinking at their level ( save the banks/bankers at all costs or all hell will break lose ) and therefore at some point people generally accept their solutions.

Please, please don&#039;t participate in it! There is a huge difference in these things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further in relation to your own, what I feel is very inflamatory language at the start of your piece, David heres a recent extract from the International Business Times on Angela Merkels most recent speech;</p>
<p>&#8220;LEIPZIG, Germany, Nov 14 &#8211; Warning that Europe faced its &#8220;toughest hour since World War Two,&#8221; German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged her party to set aside its misgivings about the euro and accept closer political integration as a solution to the bloc&#8217;s deepening debt crisis.&#8221; <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/249098/20111114/merkel-says-europe-faces-toughest-challenge-wwii.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/249098/20111114/merkel-says-europe-faces-toughest-challenge-wwii.htm</a></p>
<p>I would have thought the Berlin airlift and Cuban missle crisis or ethnic cleaning in the Balkans in the 90s were more signifcant &#8211; where devastating convential war/ nuclear war could have been the price for one false move or where a modern European population was busily engaged in genocide on our EU doorstep while the rest of us other Europeans looked on ( and didn&#8217;t lift a finger for quite a long time ).</p>
<p>Look at the language here in Merkels speech, with its elevating of this monetary and financial crisis to a level above historically, a potentially devestating war or potential nuclear holocaust or actual recent genocide. This is part of the shock mechanism &#8211; the very the fear mechanism at work here to bring the populations of Europe under foot. Its like a psychological infection, it gets people into thinking at their level ( save the banks/bankers at all costs or all hell will break lose ) and therefore at some point people generally accept their solutions.</p>
<p>Please, please don&#8217;t participate in it! There is a huge difference in these things.</p>
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		By: Joe R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8311&quot;&gt;Roger Lewis&lt;/a&gt;.

The British pound is fiat money, as is all legalised tender. What of it?

It seems to me that you wish to tar many things with the just the one brush here Roger.

Has Wales or Britain ever suffered under a junta? Will we see the current or a future British government first abduct, then torture, then bind the hands of objectors like the people camped at St.Pauls before putting them into a hercules transport and flying out to sea chucking them in, with weights attached, like was done in Argentina at a rate of 4,000 a year not so long ago?

http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/eng.html

There are real and quite considerable differences between violent persecution under martial law and the damage that will be done by this financial coup.I think its adviseable to bare that in mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8311">Roger Lewis</a>.</p>
<p>The British pound is fiat money, as is all legalised tender. What of it?</p>
<p>It seems to me that you wish to tar many things with the just the one brush here Roger.</p>
<p>Has Wales or Britain ever suffered under a junta? Will we see the current or a future British government first abduct, then torture, then bind the hands of objectors like the people camped at St.Pauls before putting them into a hercules transport and flying out to sea chucking them in, with weights attached, like was done in Argentina at a rate of 4,000 a year not so long ago?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/eng.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/eng.html</a></p>
<p>There are real and quite considerable differences between violent persecution under martial law and the damage that will be done by this financial coup.I think its adviseable to bare that in mind.</p>
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		By: Charles Wheeler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Wheeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2011/11/thoughts-upon-this-remembrance-sunday/#comment-8417&quot;&gt;Mike Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

In a nutshell.]]></description>
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<p>In a nutshell.</p>
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