It’s posts like this that make surfing so much plsrueae

This is going to take honest politicains and the people prepared to take a dose of hard times for a while. None of this is going to be easy. But looking from the outside in the ECB and bankers is are paying themselves back and throwing Greece scraps. This process may take a gereration or two to solve under the current plan. But just like the USA and probably with most of the westernized countries no one wants to take any pain or solve the actual problems, we just dance around the issues.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/japan-china-start-direct-currency-015458452.html

Seems like the US is going to get stretched very thinly, with new currency fronts opening up all the time.

They are so drunk on hedonism they honestly do not see the consequences of their actions as being corrupt, someone has to show them, it’s all out there!

What more can be said?! Just that I totally agree with you and thanks for sharing yout thoughts too.

Being is a seriously remote corner of NE Turkey, with limited access to Internet and quite busy helping my son set up a survey, I’ve been trying use what of bit of free time is available to catch up. Been through the two previous blog posts re A Way Forward and done some posting links to the relevant NatCAN discussion here http://bit.ly/LtX9oO .

Was quite interested in David’s thoughts re using the political process and have canvassed others on that topic. Below are a couple of responses:

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Problem in the UK is that the majority already have permanently turned their backs on “Democracy” ..Turn out of 30 odd % is evidenced almost everywhere these days.

We need to educate the public about what’s really going on before anything else is tried.

That will take at least two generations after the relentless dumbing down of society which the Globalists have pumped trillions of propaganda into.

Devolution to the micro local level is the key..not necessarily a panacea but it is the only hope we have of turning things around again. You can’t simply get elected and change the system from the inside……politicians who try this quickly vanish, often in aeroplane crashes with no specific cause, or assassin’s ambush.

Bottom up…possibly, but we still need leaders capable of being supported by a majority. Whichever way you look at things, if democracy is failing it needs overthrowing and replacing with an alternative. Beyond military coups I can’t see any other way (with the power) of overthrowing the current system/s.

I have no answer. As individuals we are all impotent, unable to change anything globally; after all “they’ve” had more than 100 years start on us.

Power corrupts etc…that’s where we are with no back door escape hatch unfortunately.

Dreamers will play their games devising possible alternatives, but in reality they are simply wasting their lives devising the unworkable.

Human nature will always get in the way….not everybody is honest and/or hive minded.

Serfdom beckons for most.

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I agree very much that our system of giving top dominance to nation states is now seriously in the way and inadequate to deal not just with democracy requirements but also the survival of our global habitat. The ideas floated in D Malone’s bog are interesting and a useful breaking out of the box we have trapped ourselves in by the power given to the nation state system at global level. I am on the fence though as to whether creating a new political party is the best use of scarce effort, though this one looks a bit like an EU version of what I want at local level – a system of pooling differences to get sensible independents elected who will look at issues on their merits and not from the destructive party political game that now dominates local democracy.

Another idea breaking out of the same box is put forward by Simpol – a new way of using the democratic elections system in all countries without having to create new political parties – to elect politicians of any party who adopt the idea of new ways of taking decisions that can be taken only at global level and can’t any longer be taken at national level – for the very reasons that David Malone identifies – national politicians are now powerless at global level as they are out faced by the global corporates. A Tobin tax is a good example.

You can see more about Simpol’s approach at http://www.simpol.org

I recommend becoming acquainted with it.

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David was guest speaker at NatCAN’s first national conference. There will be a second national conference in early July. Some thinking and planning to be done before then.