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		By: Roger G Lewis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger G Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some Klezmer from my band in solidarity with Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zPumk4dtk]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Klezmer from my band in solidarity with Palestine.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zPumk4dtk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zPumk4dtk</a></p>
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		By: Roger G Lewis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger G Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-145452&quot;&gt;feministbageleater&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi feministbageleater. Thought you might like to read this article regarding folk standing by and turning the other cheek.
http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2013/09/this-machine/

other comaparisons can be found on my own blog here regarding the new Neo Liberal fascism, embraced by Israels Governement.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2012/11/the-narcissism-of-small-differences-in.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7168803/Adorno-Freudian-Theory-and-the-Pattern-of-Fascist-Propaganda#
Freudian Theory and pattern of Fascist Propaganda.
This is the ultimate root of the otherwise enigmatic
 personalization
of fascist
propaganda, its incessant plugging of names and supposedly great men, instead of
discussing objective causes. The formation of the imagery of an omnipotent and unbridled
father figure, by far transcending the individual father and therewith apt to be enlarged into
a »group ego,« is the only way to promulgate the »passive-masochistic attitude … to whom
one’s will has to be surrendered,« an attitude required of the fascist follower the more his
political behaviour becomes irreconcilable with his own rational interests as a private person
as well as those of the group or c
lass
to which he actually belongs.
12
They fail to develop an independent autonomous
conscience and substitute for it an identification with collective authority which is as irrational as Freud
described it, heteronomous, rigidly oppressive, largely alien to the individuals’ own thinking and, therefore,

Just a short paraphrase in case you decide not to have a read, the parallels of Israeli Propaganda and war crimes to those of the Nazi&#039;s are undeniable frankly. It is a question of degree not kind if there is any question at all. 
Quine concluded in his &quot;Two Dogmas of Empiricism&quot; as follows:

As an empiricist I continue to think of the conceptual scheme of science as a tool, ultimately, for predicting future experience in the light of past experience. Physical objects are conceptually imported into the situation as convenient intermediaries not by definition in terms of experience, but simply as irreducible posits comparable, epistemologically, to the gods of Homer . . . For my part I do, qua lay physicist, believe in physical objects and not in Homer&#039;s gods; and I consider it a scientific error to believe otherwise. But in point of epistemological footing, the physical objects and the gods differ only in degree and not in kind. Both sorts of entities enter our conceptions only as cultural posits.

applies equally well to Israel and its fascist government and the Nazis of the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s. Same old shit different day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-145452">feministbageleater</a>.</p>
<p>Hi feministbageleater. Thought you might like to read this article regarding folk standing by and turning the other cheek.<br />
<a href="http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2013/09/this-machine/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2013/09/this-machine/</a></p>
<p>other comaparisons can be found on my own blog here regarding the new Neo Liberal fascism, embraced by Israels Governement.</p>
<p><a href="http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2012/11/the-narcissism-of-small-differences-in.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2012/11/the-narcissism-of-small-differences-in.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/7168803/Adorno-Freudian-Theory-and-the-Pattern-of-Fascist-Propaganda#" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scribd.com/doc/7168803/Adorno-Freudian-Theory-and-the-Pattern-of-Fascist-Propaganda#</a><br />
Freudian Theory and pattern of Fascist Propaganda.<br />
This is the ultimate root of the otherwise enigmatic<br />
 personalization<br />
of fascist<br />
propaganda, its incessant plugging of names and supposedly great men, instead of<br />
discussing objective causes. The formation of the imagery of an omnipotent and unbridled<br />
father figure, by far transcending the individual father and therewith apt to be enlarged into<br />
a »group ego,« is the only way to promulgate the »passive-masochistic attitude … to whom<br />
one’s will has to be surrendered,« an attitude required of the fascist follower the more his<br />
political behaviour becomes irreconcilable with his own rational interests as a private person<br />
as well as those of the group or c<br />
lass<br />
to which he actually belongs.<br />
12<br />
They fail to develop an independent autonomous<br />
conscience and substitute for it an identification with collective authority which is as irrational as Freud<br />
described it, heteronomous, rigidly oppressive, largely alien to the individuals’ own thinking and, therefore,</p>
<p>Just a short paraphrase in case you decide not to have a read, the parallels of Israeli Propaganda and war crimes to those of the Nazi&#8217;s are undeniable frankly. It is a question of degree not kind if there is any question at all.<br />
Quine concluded in his &#8220;Two Dogmas of Empiricism&#8221; as follows:</p>
<p>As an empiricist I continue to think of the conceptual scheme of science as a tool, ultimately, for predicting future experience in the light of past experience. Physical objects are conceptually imported into the situation as convenient intermediaries not by definition in terms of experience, but simply as irreducible posits comparable, epistemologically, to the gods of Homer . . . For my part I do, qua lay physicist, believe in physical objects and not in Homer&#8217;s gods; and I consider it a scientific error to believe otherwise. But in point of epistemological footing, the physical objects and the gods differ only in degree and not in kind. Both sorts of entities enter our conceptions only as cultural posits.</p>
<p>applies equally well to Israel and its fascist government and the Nazis of the 30&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s. Same old shit different day.</p>
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		By: feministbageleater		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 20:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Is Gaza a land where free people live or has it been turned in to the world’s first prison city where the undesirable underclass live and breed and die but must do so behind walls and barbed wire without rights and under the control of the uber people? European Jews once suffered and lived like this in the Nazi enforced Ghetto in Warsaw. Then, ‘decent’ Germans stood by and said nothing while it happened. Today decent Israelis are doing the same.&quot;

Hmmm...really?  Whatever your opinions are on the Israel-Palestine conflict, you REALLY don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about when you make a comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto (btw FYI Warsaw is in Poland; not Germany).  It&#039;s not only totally ignorant, not to mention outrageously ridiculous, to pluck a largely unrelated historical tragedy out of the air and irrationally compare it to present-day issues in the middle east but it falls nothing short of holocaust revisionism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is Gaza a land where free people live or has it been turned in to the world’s first prison city where the undesirable underclass live and breed and die but must do so behind walls and barbed wire without rights and under the control of the uber people? European Jews once suffered and lived like this in the Nazi enforced Ghetto in Warsaw. Then, ‘decent’ Germans stood by and said nothing while it happened. Today decent Israelis are doing the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;really?  Whatever your opinions are on the Israel-Palestine conflict, you REALLY don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about when you make a comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto (btw FYI Warsaw is in Poland; not Germany).  It&#8217;s not only totally ignorant, not to mention outrageously ridiculous, to pluck a largely unrelated historical tragedy out of the air and irrationally compare it to present-day issues in the middle east but it falls nothing short of holocaust revisionism.</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-23044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steviefinn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/gaza-is-plunged-into-war-again]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/gaza-is-plunged-into-war-again" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/gaza-is-plunged-into-war-again</a></p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steviefinn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Noam Chomsky on his visit to what seems to be a kind of Palestinian version of the Warsaw ghetto.

http://chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam Chomsky on his visit to what seems to be a kind of Palestinian version of the Warsaw ghetto.</p>
<p><a href="http://chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm</a></p>
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		By: mozzie		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mozzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21111&quot;&gt;Roger Lewis&lt;/a&gt;.

Individually, that is my general experience too. But it may involve ignoring some very unsettling opinions prevalent in the society at large. Israeli opinion not excluded. http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef017c32c403f5970b-popup

The Haaretz article is paywalled, so 3Qd has more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21111">Roger Lewis</a>.</p>
<p>Individually, that is my general experience too. But it may involve ignoring some very unsettling opinions prevalent in the society at large. Israeli opinion not excluded. <a href="http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef017c32c403f5970b-popup" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef017c32c403f5970b-popup</a></p>
<p>The Haaretz article is paywalled, so 3Qd has more.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21230&quot;&gt;Polish Reader&lt;/a&gt;.

You are quite right. I had not paid attention. I have amended the text and offer you my unreserved apologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21230">Polish Reader</a>.</p>
<p>You are quite right. I had not paid attention. I have amended the text and offer you my unreserved apologies.</p>
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		By: desmond dillon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[desmond dillon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dear Polish reader i am the one that incorrectly named the ghetto in warsaw. i do apologise to anyone offended by my unintentional mistake. i do agree that the correct term should have read &#039;Nazi Ghetto in Poland.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear Polish reader i am the one that incorrectly named the ghetto in warsaw. i do apologise to anyone offended by my unintentional mistake. i do agree that the correct term should have read &#8216;Nazi Ghetto in Poland.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Polish Reader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polish Reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Author,

I have a huge respect for your work, efforts, investigative spirit and pursuit of truth. But I think you&#039;ve made an intentional mistake. Please be aware that there never was anything like &quot;Polish Ghetto&quot;. What this may suggest is that a ghetto was run by my countrymen - Poles or that Poles were involved as the oppressors. And this should never be left for doubt.

The correct therm would be &quot;Nazi Ghetto in Poland&quot; (although there were ghettos all over Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe)

Please clarify this in your text.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Author,</p>
<p>I have a huge respect for your work, efforts, investigative spirit and pursuit of truth. But I think you&#8217;ve made an intentional mistake. Please be aware that there never was anything like &#8220;Polish Ghetto&#8221;. What this may suggest is that a ghetto was run by my countrymen &#8211; Poles or that Poles were involved as the oppressors. And this should never be left for doubt.</p>
<p>The correct therm would be &#8220;Nazi Ghetto in Poland&#8221; (although there were ghettos all over Europe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe</a>)</p>
<p>Please clarify this in your text.</p>
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		By: John G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21167&quot;&gt;Glenn Condell&lt;/a&gt;.

Couldn&#039;t have said it better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/israeli-forces-board-peaceful-ship-estelle/#comment-21167">Glenn Condell</a>.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better.</p>
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