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		By: Roger Lewis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Lewis]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/10/missing-clues-first-time-around-careful.html  Revisited this post and spotted a clue I had missed first time around EROEI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/10/missing-clues-first-time-around-careful.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/10/missing-clues-first-time-around-careful.html</a>  Revisited this post and spotted a clue I had missed first time around EROEI.</p>
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		By: Golem XIV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20914&quot;&gt;Mike Wooding&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair point.  QE is one of those slippery and trojan terms.  Perhaps I have not been careful enough when using it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20914">Mike Wooding</a>.</p>
<p>Fair point.  QE is one of those slippery and trojan terms.  Perhaps I have not been careful enough when using it.</p>
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		By: Mike Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20880&quot;&gt;Mike Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

A bit more on this story here:

http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2012/10/14/will-central-banks-cancel-government-debt/?#axzz29Mdb5VE1

You have to register for ft blogs, but they are otherwise free access.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20880">Mike Hall</a>.</p>
<p>A bit more on this story here:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2012/10/14/will-central-banks-cancel-government-debt/?#axzz29Mdb5VE1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2012/10/14/will-central-banks-cancel-government-debt/?#axzz29Mdb5VE1</a></p>
<p>You have to register for ft blogs, but they are otherwise free access.</p>
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		By: Mike Wooding		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wooding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking forward to the final part but please stop referring to QE as it is nothing of the sort. What we have is pure debt monetarisation.

 QE requires central banks to sell back into the market at a future point in time but the sheet scale of the money created means this can never happen in any meaningful way.

The MSM accept this lie, and that should surprise no one but when questioning the perceived wisdom of the ruling elite, it seems strange to accept a term specifically designed to disguise the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the final part but please stop referring to QE as it is nothing of the sort. What we have is pure debt monetarisation.</p>
<p> QE requires central banks to sell back into the market at a future point in time but the sheet scale of the money created means this can never happen in any meaningful way.</p>
<p>The MSM accept this lie, and that should surprise no one but when questioning the perceived wisdom of the ruling elite, it seems strange to accept a term specifically designed to disguise the truth.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check  out this link for a representation of the kind of people we are dealing with in banking circles.

http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/why-we-should-have-absolutely-no.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check  out this link for a representation of the kind of people we are dealing with in banking circles.</p>
<p><a href="http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/why-we-should-have-absolutely-no.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/why-we-should-have-absolutely-no.html</a></p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes ,indeed. The silk gloves have finally come off the bankers , to show their steel claws underneath, It was always thus.
We are approaching the end game in conventional banking and finance. The local friendly bank manager has been replaced with a faceless, avaricious,technocratic Shylock,who wants his pound of flesh ,no matter what the damage to the economy,or social fabric.
Pillage and financial plunder is a good description,we are  deep in an ongoing Financial coup d&#039;etat.
They are prepared to leave a wasteland behind in their search for profit., but the pot is becoming smaller by the day.
Indeed RBS is the Genghis Khan of finance. We are just  missing the pyramid of skulls, but there are many broken lives left by the RBS trail of fraud and destruction.
Maybe they ought to change their logo to the skull &#038; crossbones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes ,indeed. The silk gloves have finally come off the bankers , to show their steel claws underneath, It was always thus.<br />
We are approaching the end game in conventional banking and finance. The local friendly bank manager has been replaced with a faceless, avaricious,technocratic Shylock,who wants his pound of flesh ,no matter what the damage to the economy,or social fabric.<br />
Pillage and financial plunder is a good description,we are  deep in an ongoing Financial coup d&#8217;etat.<br />
They are prepared to leave a wasteland behind in their search for profit., but the pot is becoming smaller by the day.<br />
Indeed RBS is the Genghis Khan of finance. We are just  missing the pyramid of skulls, but there are many broken lives left by the RBS trail of fraud and destruction.<br />
Maybe they ought to change their logo to the skull &amp; crossbones.</p>
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		By: Phil T.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20904&quot;&gt;Kate Hudson&lt;/a&gt;.

Kate ~

Regarding your point to Iceland upthread, here are 3-(relatively) recent mainstream articles to update you ...



&lt;b&gt;Icelandic Anger Brings Debt Forgiveness in Best Recovery Story&lt;/b&gt;
By Omar R. Valdimarsson - Feb 19, 2012 7:01 PM ET

==&#062; http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html

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&lt;b&gt;Iceland News&lt;/b&gt;
by Bara Kristinsdottir for The New York Times
Updated: April 24, 2012
===&#062; http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iceland/index.html

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&lt;b&gt;Iceland’s Economy Is Mending Amid Europe’s Malaise&lt;/b&gt; 
By Sarah Lyall

While much of Europe is struggling to pull itself out of the recessionary swamp, Iceland’s economy is expected to grow by 2.4 percent this year.
July 08, 2012, Sunday
===&#062; http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/europe/icelands-economy-is-mending-amid-europes-malaise.html?ref=iceland&#038;_r=0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20904">Kate Hudson</a>.</p>
<p>Kate ~</p>
<p>Regarding your point to Iceland upthread, here are 3-(relatively) recent mainstream articles to update you &#8230;</p>
<p><b>Icelandic Anger Brings Debt Forgiveness in Best Recovery Story</b><br />
By Omar R. Valdimarsson &#8211; Feb 19, 2012 7:01 PM ET</p>
<p>==&gt; <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html</a></p>
<p>===============================================</p>
<p><b>Iceland News</b><br />
by Bara Kristinsdottir for The New York Times<br />
Updated: April 24, 2012<br />
===&gt; <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iceland/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iceland/index.html</a></p>
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<p><b>Iceland’s Economy Is Mending Amid Europe’s Malaise</b><br />
By Sarah Lyall</p>
<p>While much of Europe is struggling to pull itself out of the recessionary swamp, Iceland’s economy is expected to grow by 2.4 percent this year.<br />
July 08, 2012, Sunday<br />
===&gt; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/europe/icelands-economy-is-mending-amid-europes-malaise.html?ref=iceland&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/europe/icelands-economy-is-mending-amid-europes-malaise.html?ref=iceland&#038;_r=0</a></p>
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		By: Kate Hudson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Hudson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks JimM,

Those were the days. We had a wonderful business for 30 years surrounded by wonderful people - maybe it doesn&#039;t get any better than that. Must be thankful. We&#039;re ok - under sunny skies and warm weather with no money. could be worse.

Here&#039;s the link again:
http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Mayfair-Got-Recording-financial/dp/1449977731/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1350250082&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=what%27s+mayfair+got+to+do+with+it

The relationship between small businesses and banks is fascinating. We could never have built our business without them, and there were some very good bankers involved in our early years. But somewhere in those 30 years they turned from being careful thoughtful and helpful people to predatory monsters and the whole culture turned toxic. Dreadful shame because there must have been thousands of good vibrant businesses like ours which got needlessly killed. 

Strangely enough it wasn&#039;t a bank which killed us - although one halved our overdraft overnight (because we were not using the full facility) and another charged us £97,500 penalty fees because of a paperwork  mess which was their fault.

It was the accountants and lawyers that did us in the end. They are almost as bad if not worse than the banks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JimM,</p>
<p>Those were the days. We had a wonderful business for 30 years surrounded by wonderful people &#8211; maybe it doesn&#8217;t get any better than that. Must be thankful. We&#8217;re ok &#8211; under sunny skies and warm weather with no money. could be worse.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link again:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Mayfair-Got-Recording-financial/dp/1449977731/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1350250082&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=what%27s+mayfair+got+to+do+with+it" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Mayfair-Got-Recording-financial/dp/1449977731/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1350250082&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=what%27s+mayfair+got+to+do+with+it</a></p>
<p>The relationship between small businesses and banks is fascinating. We could never have built our business without them, and there were some very good bankers involved in our early years. But somewhere in those 30 years they turned from being careful thoughtful and helpful people to predatory monsters and the whole culture turned toxic. Dreadful shame because there must have been thousands of good vibrant businesses like ours which got needlessly killed. </p>
<p>Strangely enough it wasn&#8217;t a bank which killed us &#8211; although one halved our overdraft overnight (because we were not using the full facility) and another charged us £97,500 penalty fees because of a paperwork  mess which was their fault.</p>
<p>It was the accountants and lawyers that did us in the end. They are almost as bad if not worse than the banks.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20828&quot;&gt;backwardsevolution&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks backwardsrevolution for that. I&#039;ll be reposting that to the Slog where quite a few &#039;Libertarians&#039; hang out. Ruth Porter and Mark Littlewood at the Institute of Economic Affairs might get a copy too. I do like to stay in touch with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20828">backwardsevolution</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks backwardsrevolution for that. I&#8217;ll be reposting that to the Slog where quite a few &#8216;Libertarians&#8217; hang out. Ruth Porter and Mark Littlewood at the Institute of Economic Affairs might get a copy too. I do like to stay in touch with them.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20824&quot;&gt;Golem XIV&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry JB, but that&#039;s nonsense. How can there be any correlation between the Conservatives and the Socialist Workers&#039; Party? They are quite obviously not all the &#039;far left&#039;. You&#039;re talking of course about socialising losses but since when has that been about Socialism (that the means of production are held in common)? Socialising the banks&#039; losses has benefited only a tiny minority - which is exactly what I would expect Conservatives at the very top to do. The Left believes in equality, the Right believes in inequality. A bit simplistic but true. Our banking friends then are very much on the Right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/10/why-are-we-bailing-out-the-banks-part-two-theory-ideology-and-failure/#comment-20824">Golem XIV</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry JB, but that&#8217;s nonsense. How can there be any correlation between the Conservatives and the Socialist Workers&#8217; Party? They are quite obviously not all the &#8216;far left&#8217;. You&#8217;re talking of course about socialising losses but since when has that been about Socialism (that the means of production are held in common)? Socialising the banks&#8217; losses has benefited only a tiny minority &#8211; which is exactly what I would expect Conservatives at the very top to do. The Left believes in equality, the Right believes in inequality. A bit simplistic but true. Our banking friends then are very much on the Right.</p>
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