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		By: JayD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-138891&quot;&gt;Zenon&lt;/a&gt;.

The corrupt politicians and banksters must be thrilled that you direct so much of your anger at &#039;illegals&#039;....you fool !! Wise up to rule 1... Divide and rule.]]></description>
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<p>The corrupt politicians and banksters must be thrilled that you direct so much of your anger at &#8216;illegals&#8217;&#8230;.you fool !! Wise up to rule 1&#8230; Divide and rule.</p>
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		By: Zenon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24165&quot;&gt;Kimo&lt;/a&gt;.

they keep blaming the simple people for the action of 100.000 corrupt politicians and their families plus their relatives and friends that drove us to this position we had heavy industry and weapons production capabilities they are literally flooding our cities with illigal immigrants and diseases they raise the taxes and hunt the Greek people and leave the elites and illegal run free they even banned they gun licenses and confiscated any weapons or gun shops. A university student i knew shot an illegal for breaking and entering his house and threated to kill his mother and already stabbed his older brother]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24165">Kimo</a>.</p>
<p>they keep blaming the simple people for the action of 100.000 corrupt politicians and their families plus their relatives and friends that drove us to this position we had heavy industry and weapons production capabilities they are literally flooding our cities with illigal immigrants and diseases they raise the taxes and hunt the Greek people and leave the elites and illegal run free they even banned they gun licenses and confiscated any weapons or gun shops. A university student i knew shot an illegal for breaking and entering his house and threated to kill his mother and already stabbed his older brother</p>
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		By: Just me		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;New drug called Sisa is killing austerity-hit Greek youths&quot;


http://digitaljournal.com/article/350364]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New drug called Sisa is killing austerity-hit Greek youths&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://digitaljournal.com/article/350364" rel="nofollow ugc">http://digitaljournal.com/article/350364</a></p>
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		By: Scot Hines		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[German Chancellor Angela Merkel ’s government said June 24 banks and insurers will recognize their “very high interest” in sharing the burden of a Greek financial package and an agreement will be reached in the next nine days.]]></description>
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		By: Joe Taylor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mike, I&#039;ll get the book.]]></description>
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		By: Mike Hall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 00:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24184&quot;&gt;Joe Taylor&lt;/a&gt;.

Joe, I wish I knew.

That is to say beyond knowing that the solution cannot involve violence, and we must continue to share our knowledge &#038; indignation at the nonsense the established order of elites would have us swallow.

I&#039;ve mentioned research psychologist Daniel Kahneman&#039;s book &#039;Thinking, Fast and Slow&#039; here a couple of times. The concept he&#039;s offering us is blindingly simple &#038; backed by his life&#039;s empirical work &#038; that of others.

We have two modes of &#039;thinking&#039;.

The one we cannot switch off is rapid, based on a kind experiential heuristics, extrapolating as best we can from whatever stuck in our memories that +seems+ to fit the situation. We couldn&#039;t function without it - no good spending 1/2 hour looking for new evidence of what a Hairy Mammoth is when it&#039;s charging down on us &#038; we&#039;ve only got as far as the sharp stick in defensive tactics.

Slow mode takes some deliberate invoking to pause, take stock, look for new evidence &#038; integrate it with previous knowledge. This is why we&#039;ve developed such incredible use of language, tools &#038; technology.

But fast forward to the breadth &#038; complexity of modern society &#038; I think most people just give up trying to understand what&#039;s really going on. Just about everything about our lives conspires to have us accept whatever information is readily to hand, if we ever make into &#039;system two&#039; (slow) mode beyond a cursory nod of acquaintance.

It becomes obvious just how powerful mainstream media is when the things we most need to understand actually play out quite remotely from our immediate environment in space &#038; time.

However, I do think that self awareness of the &#039;nature of the beast&#039; (us!) is very powerful in mastering its shortcomings.    

But it all takes time, contemplation, a real desire to learn &#038; what I might best describe as a peaceful heart &#038; faith in the astonishing ability of humans to create &#038; experience the sublime.

Best I&#039;ve got, &#038; it&#039;s taken a lot of years in semi-wilderness &#038; a very unconventional life.

Tho&#039; no matter how deeply I&#039;ve peered into the abyss, something has always, quite unexpectedly, drawn my attention back to the true evolutionary potential of ourselves &#038; our world.

Curiously, it seems to me that whether anyone consciously has such faith doesn&#039;t matter. Acting like you do works just as well ;) 

Don&#039;t know if any of the above makes sense? I&#039;ll post it anyway...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24184">Joe Taylor</a>.</p>
<p>Joe, I wish I knew.</p>
<p>That is to say beyond knowing that the solution cannot involve violence, and we must continue to share our knowledge &amp; indignation at the nonsense the established order of elites would have us swallow.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned research psychologist Daniel Kahneman&#8217;s book &#8216;Thinking, Fast and Slow&#8217; here a couple of times. The concept he&#8217;s offering us is blindingly simple &amp; backed by his life&#8217;s empirical work &amp; that of others.</p>
<p>We have two modes of &#8216;thinking&#8217;.</p>
<p>The one we cannot switch off is rapid, based on a kind experiential heuristics, extrapolating as best we can from whatever stuck in our memories that +seems+ to fit the situation. We couldn&#8217;t function without it &#8211; no good spending 1/2 hour looking for new evidence of what a Hairy Mammoth is when it&#8217;s charging down on us &amp; we&#8217;ve only got as far as the sharp stick in defensive tactics.</p>
<p>Slow mode takes some deliberate invoking to pause, take stock, look for new evidence &amp; integrate it with previous knowledge. This is why we&#8217;ve developed such incredible use of language, tools &amp; technology.</p>
<p>But fast forward to the breadth &amp; complexity of modern society &amp; I think most people just give up trying to understand what&#8217;s really going on. Just about everything about our lives conspires to have us accept whatever information is readily to hand, if we ever make into &#8216;system two&#8217; (slow) mode beyond a cursory nod of acquaintance.</p>
<p>It becomes obvious just how powerful mainstream media is when the things we most need to understand actually play out quite remotely from our immediate environment in space &amp; time.</p>
<p>However, I do think that self awareness of the &#8216;nature of the beast&#8217; (us!) is very powerful in mastering its shortcomings.    </p>
<p>But it all takes time, contemplation, a real desire to learn &amp; what I might best describe as a peaceful heart &amp; faith in the astonishing ability of humans to create &amp; experience the sublime.</p>
<p>Best I&#8217;ve got, &amp; it&#8217;s taken a lot of years in semi-wilderness &amp; a very unconventional life.</p>
<p>Tho&#8217; no matter how deeply I&#8217;ve peered into the abyss, something has always, quite unexpectedly, drawn my attention back to the true evolutionary potential of ourselves &amp; our world.</p>
<p>Curiously, it seems to me that whether anyone consciously has such faith doesn&#8217;t matter. Acting like you do works just as well 😉 </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if any of the above makes sense? I&#8217;ll post it anyway&#8230;</p>
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		By: Joe Taylor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; “It has to be fought for BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN taken away”

Mike, my guess is that the greater majority of the world&#039;s population would agree with you - I know I do.

There&#039;s so much discontent out there that reaction due to it has become a deluge. 

There must be a zillion online &#038; offline articles, blogs posts, YouTube videos, books, academic papers, you name it, about what&#039;s wrong and how this situation we find ourselves in came about. 

David&#039;s book, all the brilliant papers he&#039;s put online for our benefit and all the talks he&#039;s given around the country (off his own bat) are a good example of what intelligent, decent, committed people like him are doing to enlighten those, like myself, with less between their ears - and it&#039;s working

But despite all that, given that the greater percentage of humanity are being exploited by a tiny minority, realistically, what should we DO?

It&#039;s one thing to say &#039;fight&#039;, but we can&#039;t realistically fight bombs, gunships, tanks, machine-guns, rocket propelled grenades, tear gas and billyclubs, or seek redress through a judicial process that&#039;s stacked against us, with logical discussions, reasonable demands and orchestrated demonstrations.

Hasn&#039;t the time come for the more intelligent amongst us to stop analysing and explaining how we got to where we are now and to start telling the rest of us what we should actually do about it?

If you have any ideas, please consider putting them up in this discusion http://bit.ly/UhrtbZ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; “It has to be fought for BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN taken away”</p>
<p>Mike, my guess is that the greater majority of the world&#8217;s population would agree with you &#8211; I know I do.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much discontent out there that reaction due to it has become a deluge. </p>
<p>There must be a zillion online &amp; offline articles, blogs posts, YouTube videos, books, academic papers, you name it, about what&#8217;s wrong and how this situation we find ourselves in came about. </p>
<p>David&#8217;s book, all the brilliant papers he&#8217;s put online for our benefit and all the talks he&#8217;s given around the country (off his own bat) are a good example of what intelligent, decent, committed people like him are doing to enlighten those, like myself, with less between their ears &#8211; and it&#8217;s working</p>
<p>But despite all that, given that the greater percentage of humanity are being exploited by a tiny minority, realistically, what should we DO?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to say &#8216;fight&#8217;, but we can&#8217;t realistically fight bombs, gunships, tanks, machine-guns, rocket propelled grenades, tear gas and billyclubs, or seek redress through a judicial process that&#8217;s stacked against us, with logical discussions, reasonable demands and orchestrated demonstrations.</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t the time come for the more intelligent amongst us to stop analysing and explaining how we got to where we are now and to start telling the rest of us what we should actually do about it?</p>
<p>If you have any ideas, please consider putting them up in this discusion <a href="http://bit.ly/UhrtbZ" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bit.ly/UhrtbZ</a></p>
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		By: Joe R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24167&quot;&gt;Pat Flannery&lt;/a&gt;.

Pat,

Ireland by its own official title, is not the Republic of Ireland.  It is Eire or Ireland. Look at your passport.

And Ireland has, via its government and  Dail engaged in repeated acts of giving away its own sovereignty ( de facto if not de jure ). This has been very real and no strong challenges via the law have emerged to any of this yet. Those who weild the law are appointees of the government and don´t rock the boat. An example of a de facto betrayal follows from over a year ago...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24167">Pat Flannery</a>.</p>
<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Ireland by its own official title, is not the Republic of Ireland.  It is Eire or Ireland. Look at your passport.</p>
<p>And Ireland has, via its government and  Dail engaged in repeated acts of giving away its own sovereignty ( de facto if not de jure ). This has been very real and no strong challenges via the law have emerged to any of this yet. Those who weild the law are appointees of the government and don´t rock the boat. An example of a de facto betrayal follows from over a year ago&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak</a></p>
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		By: Mike Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24171&quot;&gt;Joe Taylor&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It has to be fought for BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN taken away&quot;

Fixed ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24171">Joe Taylor</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It has to be fought for BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN taken away&#8221;</p>
<p>Fixed 😉</p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24169&quot;&gt;Phil (Mcr)&lt;/a&gt;.

NDAA also setting off 5th amendment alarm bells :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/ndaa-indefinite-detention_n_2326225.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/12/the-humiliation-of-greece/#comment-24169">Phil (Mcr)</a>.</p>
<p>NDAA also setting off 5th amendment alarm bells :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/ndaa-indefinite-detention_n_2326225.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/ndaa-indefinite-detention_n_2326225.html</a></p>
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