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		By: Andrea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The “West”  - USA plus poodles -  has supported or co-opted or enrolled islamists, jihadists, muslims, rebels, opposition fighters, freedom fighters, revolutionaries, young supporters for democracy, whatever one wants to call them, in Afghanistan (against the Russians), in Yugoslavia (against a socialist state..), in Lybia (to depose Kadafi)...now in Syria (against Assad.) 

It has fought, or is fighting, against ‘rebels’, ‘terrorists’, ‘islamists,’  in Iraq (though as under occupation it is a case apart), Yemen, Pakistan, Lybia (to depose Kadafi), now Mali (and previously Algeria) and we leave Palestine out. 

In between, the ‘Arab Spring’ in Tunisia and Egypt, the W wanted to hold on to the old order, Moubarak, Ben Ali, but you have to go with the flow, and eventually support the new order (these two are big countries.) 

As for ‘rebels’ in Bahrein, Quatar, Saudi, elsewhere, hush hush, that is under the radar.  
Nothing to do with Islam or terrorism or anything like that. 

It is cynical pick and choose who you fund, arm, support in function of short term aims, biz deals, personal contacts, power grabs, looming Big Corp Deals, and the like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “West”  &#8211; USA plus poodles &#8211;  has supported or co-opted or enrolled islamists, jihadists, muslims, rebels, opposition fighters, freedom fighters, revolutionaries, young supporters for democracy, whatever one wants to call them, in Afghanistan (against the Russians), in Yugoslavia (against a socialist state..), in Lybia (to depose Kadafi)&#8230;now in Syria (against Assad.) </p>
<p>It has fought, or is fighting, against ‘rebels’, ‘terrorists’, ‘islamists,’  in Iraq (though as under occupation it is a case apart), Yemen, Pakistan, Lybia (to depose Kadafi), now Mali (and previously Algeria) and we leave Palestine out. </p>
<p>In between, the ‘Arab Spring’ in Tunisia and Egypt, the W wanted to hold on to the old order, Moubarak, Ben Ali, but you have to go with the flow, and eventually support the new order (these two are big countries.) </p>
<p>As for ‘rebels’ in Bahrein, Quatar, Saudi, elsewhere, hush hush, that is under the radar.<br />
Nothing to do with Islam or terrorism or anything like that. </p>
<p>It is cynical pick and choose who you fund, arm, support in function of short term aims, biz deals, personal contacts, power grabs, looming Big Corp Deals, and the like.</p>
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		By: Buck Turgidson		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Turgidson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The moon landing was faked as well? Radical Islam a myth? Is it all about geo politics, drugs and oil? I don&#039;t think so. When Qaddafi was overthrown his black African allies were shot in the streets of Libya. They fled south with bunches of weapons and aligned themselves with the Islamist already there. I&#039;m sure they would not turn down drug money because these Sahara traders have been moving anything that makes money for century s. But disagree that their main motivation is financial I believe it to be religious. I have driven through the area on my way from Europe to South Africa and I found the Taureqs to be devout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moon landing was faked as well? Radical Islam a myth? Is it all about geo politics, drugs and oil? I don&#8217;t think so. When Qaddafi was overthrown his black African allies were shot in the streets of Libya. They fled south with bunches of weapons and aligned themselves with the Islamist already there. I&#8217;m sure they would not turn down drug money because these Sahara traders have been moving anything that makes money for century s. But disagree that their main motivation is financial I believe it to be religious. I have driven through the area on my way from Europe to South Africa and I found the Taureqs to be devout.</p>
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		By: John G		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25280</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25201&quot;&gt;bill40&lt;/a&gt;.

Google Rita Katz. It&#039;s a hoot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25201">bill40</a>.</p>
<p>Google Rita Katz. It&#8217;s a hoot.</p>
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		By: Wirplit		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wirplit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25184&quot;&gt;Nicholas Dyson&lt;/a&gt;.

A interesting article David, 
...and Nicholas your link to Andy Morgan&#039;s piece was really helpful. It was an excellent grounding and I look forward to his book.

Suddenly the immense back story which comes out ...and all the dots coming from the  Libyan uprising, Gaddafi&#039;s games in Africa, the environmental  disaster in the Sahel, Chinese involvement in African resources and even the destinations of Rendition victims... start to link up.  I had little idea of the extent of American involvement with the Algerian government, its  notorious secret service and its struggle with the Islamists. 
 Now and then you get a predictable shock all over again of just how stage managed the normal media news is....
I stayed in Matmata in South Tunisia where those Austrian tourists were kidnapped just the year before...wonder how much the British government would have paid for me...lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25184">Nicholas Dyson</a>.</p>
<p>A interesting article David,<br />
&#8230;and Nicholas your link to Andy Morgan&#8217;s piece was really helpful. It was an excellent grounding and I look forward to his book.</p>
<p>Suddenly the immense back story which comes out &#8230;and all the dots coming from the  Libyan uprising, Gaddafi&#8217;s games in Africa, the environmental  disaster in the Sahel, Chinese involvement in African resources and even the destinations of Rendition victims&#8230; start to link up.  I had little idea of the extent of American involvement with the Algerian government, its  notorious secret service and its struggle with the Islamists.<br />
 Now and then you get a predictable shock all over again of just how stage managed the normal media news is&#8230;.<br />
I stayed in Matmata in South Tunisia where those Austrian tourists were kidnapped just the year before&#8230;wonder how much the British government would have paid for me&#8230;lol</p>
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		By: Golem XIV		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25250</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25227&quot;&gt;sheepshagger&lt;/a&gt;.

Both names do seem apt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25227">sheepshagger</a>.</p>
<p>Both names do seem apt.</p>
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		By: Hawkeye		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hawkeye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25243&quot;&gt;mark chesworth&lt;/a&gt;.

Scramble for Africa, anyone?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-scramble-for-africa-another-u-s-battleground-to-challenge-supplant-china/32270]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25243">mark chesworth</a>.</p>
<p>Scramble for Africa, anyone?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-scramble-for-africa-another-u-s-battleground-to-challenge-supplant-china/32270" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-scramble-for-africa-another-u-s-battleground-to-challenge-supplant-china/32270</a></p>
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		By: Golem XIV		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golem XIV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25243&quot;&gt;mark chesworth&lt;/a&gt;.

Now that&#039;s interesting .Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/#comment-25243">mark chesworth</a>.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s interesting .Thank you.</p>
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		By: comminus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[so far as the drugs angle is concerned it actually makes more sense if you believe that a rise of fundamentalism in the region will actually harm the flow of drugs from South America into Europe.

it&#039;s certainly my recollection that during the period when the Taliban had control of Afghanistan that the production of opium in their territories fell dramatically.

For organisations like the CIA which have often in the past seen the profits from drugs as a way of financing operations without the need for budgetary approval from Congress this was obviously a situation which couldn&#039;t be allowed to continue indefinitely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so far as the drugs angle is concerned it actually makes more sense if you believe that a rise of fundamentalism in the region will actually harm the flow of drugs from South America into Europe.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s certainly my recollection that during the period when the Taliban had control of Afghanistan that the production of opium in their territories fell dramatically.</p>
<p>For organisations like the CIA which have often in the past seen the profits from drugs as a way of financing operations without the need for budgetary approval from Congress this was obviously a situation which couldn&#8217;t be allowed to continue indefinitely.</p>
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		By: mark chesworth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the real story here OIL ?  a few minutes searching on google was enough to bring back lots of news about recent oil finds in Mali and the interest of leading multi-nationals in developing the region.

for example


http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/MAIN/Mainnews.asp?id=16924
http://www.afrol.com/articles/24339

recent events in Libya may have destabilised the region but in my opinion its the natural resources in that area which are the real issue here.

it may also be significant that one of the key players in Mali (Sonatrach)  is one of the companies involved with the gas refinery in algeria which has been so in the news recently]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the real story here OIL ?  a few minutes searching on google was enough to bring back lots of news about recent oil finds in Mali and the interest of leading multi-nationals in developing the region.</p>
<p>for example</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/MAIN/Mainnews.asp?id=16924" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/MAIN/Mainnews.asp?id=16924</a><br />
<a href="http://www.afrol.com/articles/24339" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.afrol.com/articles/24339</a></p>
<p>recent events in Libya may have destabilised the region but in my opinion its the natural resources in that area which are the real issue here.</p>
<p>it may also be significant that one of the key players in Mali (Sonatrach)  is one of the companies involved with the gas refinery in algeria which has been so in the news recently</p>
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		By: sheepshagger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sheepshagger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Noam Chomsky&#039;s &quot; Manufacturing Consent &quot; springs to mind with a whiff of Oliver North
lingering at the back of my brain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam Chomsky&#8217;s &#8221; Manufacturing Consent &#8221; springs to mind with a whiff of Oliver North<br />
lingering at the back of my brain.</p>
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