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		By: Just me		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“From the jobless line to virtual slavery”

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“From the jobless line to virtual slavery”</p>
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		By: richard in norway		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richard in norway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I I know this ain&#039;t the place for it but I&#039;m starting to wonder about all these oil wars and sanctions on Iran and Venezuela. We know that in the early 70s the states wanted a high oil price to support the value of their currency, we could assume that there is a chance that the states is deliberately restricting supply again for the same reason but there is another possible motive, that is the huge amount of debt taken on by the oil fracking companies in the states, which would go bad very quickly if the oil price was to drop even moderately]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I I know this ain&#8217;t the place for it but I&#8217;m starting to wonder about all these oil wars and sanctions on Iran and Venezuela. We know that in the early 70s the states wanted a high oil price to support the value of their currency, we could assume that there is a chance that the states is deliberately restricting supply again for the same reason but there is another possible motive, that is the huge amount of debt taken on by the oil fracking companies in the states, which would go bad very quickly if the oil price was to drop even moderately</p>
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		By: Just me		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Obama’s destruction of US credibility goes far beyond diplomacy. It is likely that this autumn or winter, and almost certainly in 2014, the US will face severe economic crisis.”

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/30/america-totally-discredited-paul-craig-roberts/

“GEAB N°60 (December 16, 2011)”

http://www.leap2020.eu/Global-systemic-crisis-USA-2012-2016-An-insolvent-and-ungovernable-country_a8481.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Obama’s destruction of US credibility goes far beyond diplomacy. It is likely that this autumn or winter, and almost certainly in 2014, the US will face severe economic crisis.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/30/america-totally-discredited-paul-craig-roberts/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/30/america-totally-discredited-paul-craig-roberts/</a></p>
<p>“GEAB N°60 (December 16, 2011)”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.leap2020.eu/Global-systemic-crisis-USA-2012-2016-An-insolvent-and-ungovernable-country_a8481.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.leap2020.eu/Global-systemic-crisis-USA-2012-2016-An-insolvent-and-ungovernable-country_a8481.html</a></p>
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		By: Just me		</title>
		<link>https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/08/when-people-do-what-their-goverment-wont/#comment-138957</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Turkey’s gold reserves climb: IMF&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Turkey’s gold reserves climb: IMF&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mike Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Must watch video interview of former career NSA officer Russell Tice, in this excellent piece by Yves Smith. 

Tice blew the whistle in 2005 when he realised the near universality of (illegal) NSA surveillance of all communications, including (then) Senator Obama, Supreme Court justices, high ranking military and politicians.

&quot;....they&#039;ve gone after Snowden because he has the proof....&quot;  (whereas Tice explains he could only talk about what he saw)

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/08/gaius-publius-deep-state-is-the-upper-echelon-of-the-intelligence-community-running-america.html

Americans, you cannot be thinking you live in a &#039;free&#039; society with any meaningful democracy any longer.  You may make some guesses, but you really have no idea who is really running the US.

I doubt matters are much better in Europe, albeit the &#039;control&#039; may not be as blatant or direct. Control is done indirectly &#038; very effectively by removing the debate narratives from public discourse of the options not desired by the elites. The &#039;TINA&#039; doctrine, with which mainstream media are only too willing to oblige.

We&#039;ve already seen what the bankers &#038; financial sector did with the IT revolution of the last 2 or 3 decades, with what we now realise was absolutely zero democratic oversight. (That is to say, ordinary citizens&#039; interests counted for exactly nothing, nada.)

Now we know what the military-industrial-spying complex has also done with zero democratic oversight.

All whilst being blatantly lied to, repeatedly, by political leadership &#038; other public servants, by their silence, if not outright complicity.

Sorry Golem, but your notion of running for election as an MEP as some counter to all this is laughable. You have the skills already - program making - to make the most powerful contribution against all this. If you don&#039;t want to do any more than you have/are (for whatever reason), fine, no problem, that&#039;s your right, and deserving our appreciation. But let&#039;s not kid ourselves that an also-ran career in politics, within the present system, can make a gnat&#039;s cock of a difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must watch video interview of former career NSA officer Russell Tice, in this excellent piece by Yves Smith. </p>
<p>Tice blew the whistle in 2005 when he realised the near universality of (illegal) NSA surveillance of all communications, including (then) Senator Obama, Supreme Court justices, high ranking military and politicians.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.they&#8217;ve gone after Snowden because he has the proof&#8230;.&#8221;  (whereas Tice explains he could only talk about what he saw)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/08/gaius-publius-deep-state-is-the-upper-echelon-of-the-intelligence-community-running-america.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/08/gaius-publius-deep-state-is-the-upper-echelon-of-the-intelligence-community-running-america.html</a></p>
<p>Americans, you cannot be thinking you live in a &#8216;free&#8217; society with any meaningful democracy any longer.  You may make some guesses, but you really have no idea who is really running the US.</p>
<p>I doubt matters are much better in Europe, albeit the &#8216;control&#8217; may not be as blatant or direct. Control is done indirectly &amp; very effectively by removing the debate narratives from public discourse of the options not desired by the elites. The &#8216;TINA&#8217; doctrine, with which mainstream media are only too willing to oblige.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already seen what the bankers &amp; financial sector did with the IT revolution of the last 2 or 3 decades, with what we now realise was absolutely zero democratic oversight. (That is to say, ordinary citizens&#8217; interests counted for exactly nothing, nada.)</p>
<p>Now we know what the military-industrial-spying complex has also done with zero democratic oversight.</p>
<p>All whilst being blatantly lied to, repeatedly, by political leadership &amp; other public servants, by their silence, if not outright complicity.</p>
<p>Sorry Golem, but your notion of running for election as an MEP as some counter to all this is laughable. You have the skills already &#8211; program making &#8211; to make the most powerful contribution against all this. If you don&#8217;t want to do any more than you have/are (for whatever reason), fine, no problem, that&#8217;s your right, and deserving our appreciation. But let&#8217;s not kid ourselves that an also-ran career in politics, within the present system, can make a gnat&#8217;s cock of a difference.</p>
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		By: averagejoe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/08/when-people-do-what-their-goverment-wont/#comment-138918&quot;&gt;steviefinn&lt;/a&gt;.

Something that I have pondered on before, is how a system of debt free money could be introduced.  Because any politician seeking to publically advocate it would find himself up against the entire banking aristocracy.  That suggests that the only way it could be implemented is in the midst of financial and economic chaos, and/or through a process of deception, where a strong leader (for the people) creates the legislation, which sound sensible/pragmatic to the majority of members of parliament and the masses, but within the detail, shift the power to create money away from banks.   I don’t think we have reached the right stage yet, nor is the right leader present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/08/when-people-do-what-their-goverment-wont/#comment-138918">steviefinn</a>.</p>
<p>Something that I have pondered on before, is how a system of debt free money could be introduced.  Because any politician seeking to publically advocate it would find himself up against the entire banking aristocracy.  That suggests that the only way it could be implemented is in the midst of financial and economic chaos, and/or through a process of deception, where a strong leader (for the people) creates the legislation, which sound sensible/pragmatic to the majority of members of parliament and the masses, but within the detail, shift the power to create money away from banks.   I don’t think we have reached the right stage yet, nor is the right leader present.</p>
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		By: Robin Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about the criminal charges which Mr. David Malone or Mr. Robin Smith must face first? And the rest.

To keep blaming banks, when you are already fully complicit in robbing our children, is what ancient texts used to call Pharisaic. What is known as a &#039;high priest&#039;. Wanting to be &quot;seen&quot; to be wise and respected.

As are all others trying to save the planet, yet in the background secretly collecting an unearned windfall, the legitimate earnings of others, hoping no one will notice.

&quot;Do as I say, not as I do!&quot;

See here for the psychology of this unconscious action:

MeltFund Psychology
http://www.meltfund.com/2013/08/meltfund-psychology.html

By all means call if you disagree. try hard not to beg the question, use ad hominem, ask for infinite evidence, set up a straw man, or worst of all move into a deeper level of denial about it. 

Yours,
Robin Smith.
07786 078836
robinsmith@meltfund.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the criminal charges which Mr. David Malone or Mr. Robin Smith must face first? And the rest.</p>
<p>To keep blaming banks, when you are already fully complicit in robbing our children, is what ancient texts used to call Pharisaic. What is known as a &#8216;high priest&#8217;. Wanting to be &#8220;seen&#8221; to be wise and respected.</p>
<p>As are all others trying to save the planet, yet in the background secretly collecting an unearned windfall, the legitimate earnings of others, hoping no one will notice.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do as I say, not as I do!&#8221;</p>
<p>See here for the psychology of this unconscious action:</p>
<p>MeltFund Psychology<br />
<a href="http://www.meltfund.com/2013/08/meltfund-psychology.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.meltfund.com/2013/08/meltfund-psychology.html</a></p>
<p>By all means call if you disagree. try hard not to beg the question, use ad hominem, ask for infinite evidence, set up a straw man, or worst of all move into a deeper level of denial about it. </p>
<p>Yours,<br />
Robin Smith.<br />
07786 078836<br />
<a href="mailto:robinsmith@meltfund.com">robinsmith@meltfund.com</a></p>
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		By: The Dork of Cork.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dork of Cork.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The roads exist without much traffic...........why charge a rent on something which is little used ? how does this help rational resource allocation ?
In fact it works against it............

The problem resides in the stock (total number) of cars created by bank credit hyperinflation and not the roads so much although there is now a huge inertia in the landscape which can be best solved by running down these road assets and transferring the remaining  capital expenditure elsewhere.

The banks are preventing the stock of cars to flow by creating credit to buy more cars whenever a small physical surplus presents itself.
So what they are doing is destroying capital so as to create artificial scarcity so as to drive up rents.......this is the very basis of the non national euro system in particular.

Its a giant entropy engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_motorway_(Ireland)#Watergrasshill_Bypass

The above road is very underused as a result of the Fermoy toll while the below older road remains busy............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R639_road

If so what was the point of the capital expenditure ? to create rents  or add value ?
It looks like its purpose was to create new rents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The roads exist without much traffic&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..why charge a rent on something which is little used ? how does this help rational resource allocation ?<br />
In fact it works against it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem resides in the stock (total number) of cars created by bank credit hyperinflation and not the roads so much although there is now a huge inertia in the landscape which can be best solved by running down these road assets and transferring the remaining  capital expenditure elsewhere.</p>
<p>The banks are preventing the stock of cars to flow by creating credit to buy more cars whenever a small physical surplus presents itself.<br />
So what they are doing is destroying capital so as to create artificial scarcity so as to drive up rents&#8230;&#8230;.this is the very basis of the non national euro system in particular.</p>
<p>Its a giant entropy engine.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_motorway_(Ireland)#Watergrasshill_Bypass" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_motorway_(Ireland)#Watergrasshill_Bypass</a></p>
<p>The above road is very underused as a result of the Fermoy toll while the below older road remains busy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R639_road" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R639_road</a></p>
<p>If so what was the point of the capital expenditure ? to create rents  or add value ?<br />
It looks like its purpose was to create new rents.</p>
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		By: The Dork of Cork.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dork of Cork.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not a fan of the euro expansion expressed chiefly through pointless road development (private credit was provided for cars and the fiscal agents goal was merely to spend money on carrying these products of credit) but the story from Portugal resonates with the Irish experience of near empty main (toll) roads and busier secondary roads (burning more fuel)

This is a perfect expression of the rentier economy eating itself alive as resource allocation is dictated by the goals of rentiers and not rational &#038; national resource allocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoEd8yOFfLA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a fan of the euro expansion expressed chiefly through pointless road development (private credit was provided for cars and the fiscal agents goal was merely to spend money on carrying these products of credit) but the story from Portugal resonates with the Irish experience of near empty main (toll) roads and busier secondary roads (burning more fuel)</p>
<p>This is a perfect expression of the rentier economy eating itself alive as resource allocation is dictated by the goals of rentiers and not rational &amp; national resource allocation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoEd8yOFfLA" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoEd8yOFfLA</a></p>
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		By: steviefinn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/08/when-people-do-what-their-goverment-wont/#comment-138916&quot;&gt;averagejoe&lt;/a&gt;.

averagejoe

    Points taken - That&#039;s why I added the question mark, I was hoping for clarification after looking on the web myself for something that is perhaps too good to be true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/08/when-people-do-what-their-goverment-wont/#comment-138916">averagejoe</a>.</p>
<p>averagejoe</p>
<p>    Points taken &#8211; That&#8217;s why I added the question mark, I was hoping for clarification after looking on the web myself for something that is perhaps too good to be true.</p>
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