Pensions vs Big Banks – fight to the death

The Big five American banks, Bank of America, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Citi and Wells Fargo are, I think, waking up to the life threatening danger they are now in.

That danger is because the last reason why we ‘need to protect’ those banks has just gone up in flames.

Do you remember at the height of the crisis the reasons why we ‘had’ to save the banks?  Some of the ones I remember being trotted out were: If the banks went down the ATM’s would stop working, businesses would not be able to get loans to allow them to function, without the banks to lend there could be no recovery, and if the banks went down we’d all lose our pensions.

In various conversations I have had since then, advocating that the Big Banks had to be forced to suffer their own losses and go bankrupt as a result, it is the last one which is the most often brandished.  For those who believed the banks had to be saved, because without them we could not live, it was the ultimate argument.  How could you possibly argue for something that could harm ordinary people’s pensions?

That was the accusation I heard most often.  So to all those people I would like them to take note.

The pension funds of most of America, both the vast public pension funds such as Calpers (California public employees retirement system – $170 billion in assets) which every state has, plus all the professional retirement funds (Teachers etc) plus almost every private pension fund, hold between them hundreds of billions of mortgage backed securities issued by the Big Banks.  These are the securities which it now turns out were not legally constituted.  These are the securities which are the subject of a growing number of fraud allegations and legal suits.

These are also the securities which, it alleged, were over-valued and virtually designed to fail.  Designed by the banks which sold them. Again according to law suits already filed.

Thus the logic which was the last line of argument in favour of saving the banks is now reversed.  Those securities are rotten, the banks which issued them are rotten and all those pension funds who were sold them, now have the chance of making the banks BUY THEM BACK.

If the pension funds do not force the banks to buy them back then the pension funds are consigning their pension holders to suffer on-going and increasing losses on their pension investments.  Only if they aggressively seize this chance to force the banks to take the losses will their pensions have any chance of surviving.

If some pension funds put-back but others do not then those which do not will get zero. Because there will not be enough money in the banks to go around.  Only those at the front of the queue will get paid.

Not only that but foreign investors will certainly join the feeding frenzy.  They too have a legal and legitimate case for reimbursement.

The argument was the only way to save our pensions was to save the banks. The argument has reversed. Now the only way you will save your pension is by getting your money back from the banks.  It is the banks OR your pension.

At the moment it all hangs on whether Fannie and Freddie and the pension funds can force the banks to let investigators see whether or not the securities are legally constituted. SO far, despite more than 60 subpoenas issued by Fannie and Freddie the banks have simply refused to comply and open the paper work on the securities they sold.

If the banks manage to pay off enough politicians to stop the legal challenges and no one gets to see the evidence, then their victory will be your pension’s loss.

This will be a fight to the death. If the banks win it is justice for ordinary Americans which dies.

7 thoughts on “Pensions vs Big Banks – fight to the death”

  1. The problem is that the pension funds are relying on the bonds/securities that they bought from the banks to pay future pensions. If the debts turn worthless, ripping apart the banks won't fill the gap. The destruction of pension fund value is the final part of the tsunami financially, and possibly the first part of the social chaos to follow.

  2. Not sure about this. Regardless of what various groupthink commentators. (probably individuals with expensive pension plans in place, but that's beside the point) were saying about saving pension funds being the most important reason, I'd say that keeping the ATMs working was the main reason the banks had to be 'saved'. When people can't get hold of their money, things can turn nasty surprisingly quickly

  3. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    thelonggrass,

    Pension funds are relying on the securities and on bonds. That's undoubtedly true. But if those bonds are based on assets that are in reality depreciating then the last thing the fund really wants is to hang on to them. What would be better for them, is to seek to get the full or at least some of the amount they paid in the first place BACK. They can do this because the banks have more assets and worth than just the mortgages.

    The pension fund should get in and carve out as much flesh from the bank as it can as quickly as it can.

    If it waits other may get there first. Or the banks may survive unscathed and the pension fund will keep the securities which it bought which are now depreciating further.

    This is their chance to get out.

    I'm not saying this is the globally best solution, though it may be, but it is certainly the only chance for a great many, perhaps most pension funds who are otherwise fatally underfunded.

    As you say, pension fund collapses are the last stage in the financial collapse.

  4. On the money again, Golem. This story has now surfaced in the UK press: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/oct/14/wells-fargo-mortgage-foreclosure-robo-signer

    Of course the article is focussing on the wrong point, the practice of hiring inexperienced labour to sign off mortgages, rather than the legality of the entire process and the possibility of fraud. But (as usual), the below-the-line posters are refocussing on the real issue or asking the right questions. Great work, keep it up!

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