Pension Crisis – Schrodinger’s pension

The last line of defence, the Maginot line, of the present policy of keeping insolvent banks alive no matter what is, “But if we don’t, all our pensions will die.”

This nonsense has been gumming up any attempt at a reasoned discussion like a shit impregnated piece of old gum for long enough.

So let us deal with it and consign it to the pedal bin of history.

Many people have heard of Schrodinger’s cat – the famous quantum mechanics thought experiment of the cat in the box. Fewer people have heard of his pension. It’s a valuable, though less well known, thought experiment.

Schrodinger imagined he had put his gold plated pension in a box. It was a great pension. Backed by many AAA rated investments and mortgage backed securities wrapped in highly rated CDO’s and the like.

Now his question was this.  If, in the outside world, the apparent value of all the real world things, houses and the like, that his pension was based on declined hugely, BUT he didn’t open the box, was his pension alive or dead?  In the outside world events were taking their physical course, house prices declining, banks needing to have other people’s blood pumped into them to offset the arterial spray of losses  from untreated wounds.  But inside the box the figures and valuations of his pension were unchanged.

So, if he did not look was it worth what it once had been or not?  So long as he didn’t actually open the box to look, then he could not be sure. And if he wasn’t sure, then that meant there was an element of doubt and no one could say for sure his pension was dead.  In fact, according to the spooky logic of quantum economics, his pension could be both alive and dead, or in both states at once.  And would stay in the super-position of multiple states just so long as the box was not opened and no one checked.  You see why suspending mark to market rules was so vital.

This apparently is the interpretation, we’ll call it the Wall Street Interpretation,  of Schrodinger’s Pension, that our leaders, both political and financial adhere to.  It’s closely related to the theory which says, so long as you don’t have the pregnancy test you won’t be pregnant.  Of course there are biologists who maintain that there is a brute level of biological reality which carries on its way in defiance of theory.  I tend to agree with them – being a biologist.

Let’s look at the consequences of the Wall Street Interpretation.  It basically says, so long as we don’t look inside the box and read the figures, as long as we don’t allow anyone to actually value the ‘assets’ but keep them hidden (the famous Hidden Variables that Quantum finance talk about)  – so long as it all remains sealed away, off-balance sheet – then the value is still there.  By this view, the value of the pension, of all our pensions, only disappears, only dies, WHEN the box is opened. Only when the box is opened is the outside world and its assets suddenly zeroed, by some myserious “spooky action at a distance” acting faster than the speed of light. This is the Wall Street interpretation.

This is the basis of the saying IF we allow the banks to go down, THEN our pensions will die.  I would say, the pension died some time ago and that is what that peculiarly unpleasant smell is. They say to pay no attention to the smell and ‘assume’ the pension is fine.

But think about it. Their interpretation means they believe the value of the mortgages and the actual houses they in turn are based on are still today worth what they were at the height of the bubble.  It will only be at the moment we allow the banks to go down (open the box) that magically, by some ‘spooky action at a distance’ working faster than light, that FOOM – the houses which were valuable till that precise moment suddenly fall into a state of decay, neglect and worthlessness.

I find that a difficult concept to swallow.  I think, call me simple if you want – that the houses already are worth a fraction of what is claimed on the pension paper sealed in the box.

IN WHICH CASE no value will be lost from your pension should the banks be allowed to go down for the simple reason that the value WENT SOME TIME AGO.  Your pension is already mauled. We’ve just been playing a very expensive game of pretend-with-bailouts.

Just because no one is admitting that the ‘assets’ being held by your pension lost their worth 18 months ago, doesn’t mean it is not in fact the brute physical reality. No amount of ‘not looking’ will hold this reality at bay.

Conservative estimates of how long it will take for property prices to ‘recover’ is five years.  And that is for the properties that still exist.  Many no longer do.  They are already worthless shells.  They will not recover any value at all.  Neither will those mortgage backed assets which were backed with fraudulent developments which were never bought by anybody except a developer hoping to flip them at the height of the bubble.  Neither will all the CDO’s holding bits of other CDOs created in the last two years of the bubble. Neither will the landfill of CDS paper insuring it all, because the companies which wrote the insurance have long since been found dead and rotting in their own little boxes.

That is Schrodinger’s pension.

But gum never comes off in one piece does it?  There is always that piece rammed into the tread.  Let’s cut that one out while we’re here.

The other pension panic is even if people tentatively accept that the pension might already be dead, they’ll still say, ‘But isn’t it best for us to simply bail everything out, no matter how unpleasant it is for us to pay off the bankers’ losses, in order to save the pensioners from penury.  So no pretence any more just pragmatism.

Fine.  Let’s look at the best test case of the policy of ‘deny the insolvency and the losses and keep the lid on the box’ – Japan.

Twenty years ago the Japanese had a massive property and bank lending bubble that burst.  Immediately there was a chorus of panic – save the banks or the market’s will crash, the world will end, Japan will become poor and all our pensions will be ruined.  They, just like us today, were shouted at to save the banks or else.

They did. The result is that twenty years later the Japanese banks are still wraiths of their former selves.  The banks were not ‘saved’ in any meaningful sense. They, or rather their owners and directors were ‘maintained’ in luxurious uselessness.  But far more seriously, twenty years later the Japanese stock market too, has not been saved. At its height, the Nikkei traded around 30K. It has never ‘recovered’ and for twenty years has ground and splintered along in the dirt at 9K.  All those pension funds invested in it have dragged along in the same dirt.

What has that meant for the pensioners?  Well the one cohort of pensioners who were about to retire twenty years ago and would have been pole axed were saved from immediate loss. BUT every cohort after them for TWENTY years has had their pension massacred.  Twenty years when pension payments should have accumulated worth as they have to, but DID NOT.  Twenty years of pensioners hurt because of the policy which kept all the losses in the banking system and used public money and taxes to endlessly and pointlessly bail out dead banks.

The Japanese kept the box closed and have never let anyone look. But outside everything in their garden has withered and died.

Pensions require some growth so that the money invested accumulates in your pension.  The policy the Japanese followed and which we are slavishly following killed growth and recovery except for the wealthy few.

The truth is that the total accumulated pension loss over twenty years has been massively greater and affected many more pensioners, than would have been the case if the losses had been taken twenty years ago.

Not only that but the long refusal to deal with reality has killed off the entire savings of the Japanese people AND their economy’s ability to grow.  There has been no growth capable of pulling Japan from its long recession and decline, poverty levels among the young an old together have risen inexorably and now their jobs are being off-shored by the companies they ‘saved’.

This WILL be our fate too if we allow it.

The truth is this.  If banks had gone down in Japan or if we had let ours go down two years ago, the stock markets would have toppled, Pension funds would have shrivelled like a wrestler who stops taking steroids.  But the bad debts would have been flushed like a poison from our blood stream, and a film base for recovery would have been achieved.

What about the poor pensioners?  There was and is nothing to stop the government of the day topping up the pensions up to a certain point.  What?  Bail out private pensions?  Yes.  We have a government guarantee for private deposits.  Guaranteeing pension ‘savings’ up to a government limit is little different. For those saying where would the money come from? – the same place we got the money to bail out the banks. Only this use of a bail out would actually help real people rather than save a few banker’s bonuses. The guarantee would have saved the vast bulk of those with modest pensions.  Those with the gold plated pension would have lost.  AND?

Such a bail out of pensioners would have saved all the doom and panic of ‘what about the pensioners’.  It would also have saved the hundreds of billions wasted on futile bank bail outs.  And best it would have cleared the bad debts and allowed the financial system to do what the Japanese system has not been able to do for twenty wasted years and ours has not been able to do either and won’t, which is to start a real recovery.

If you are worried about your pension – and you should be- then kill the banks and allow productive activity to restart in the economy. ONLY a healthy economy will give your your pension.  Keeping dead banks alive, keeping the box closed WILL NOT save you or your pension.

38 thoughts on “Pension Crisis – Schrodinger’s pension”

  1. 'Schrodinger's Pension' – excellent analogy.

    A quantum mechanical construct of the financial might be an over-simplification. I'd like to see the wave function for unbridled greed, which would probably contain imaginary terms and k subscript 'ME' to the power of a very large number.

  2. Much too simple 😉 A good one, but the basis of the Shroedinger thing (btw Dev brought him to Ireland as a Jewish refugee in the 30s) was that you couldn't be sure, a concept developed by Heisenberg…. In fact it is more relevant to the pension thing than Schroedinger…has anybody any idea where your pension is never mind what its worth.

    Ultimately, when the bankers have been exposed completely, pensions will be paid out of taxes, most of which will have been contributed by casino bankers. Now there's a thing you won't know where is it…..

  3. I am following the blog, like many others. Here is a thought.
    I suppose the matter at stake here (Schrodnger's pension') is that if the banks go down (ie look in the box) they will take a lot of assets other than property, down with them. Many of the large corporatons, which like it or not, provide a means of moving money around or activity What would happen if the banks could not distribute wages. what about other associated systems-the paying of government pensions, benefits etc. Would the banks falling not also trigger a huge inflationary process with unpredictable results.
    I accept the analogy-very clever. Personally i think the various governments must deal with the property issue first. Property dealings must be first .regulated to prevent the kind f speculative madness witness a few years ago, then the value of the properties have to be reduced in some orderly way to make them consistent with the mortgages on them. ie personal home mortgages. (buy to letters can simply left to fry-their losses are legitimate and would simply make a healthy dent in the problem of homelessness). i am not sure how that can be done but I think it may be possible- the banks holding the mortgages agree to a reduced valuation and a mortgage shrunk down to allow them to avoid larger losses due to people defaulting and simultaneously avoiding the tragedy of people being made homeless.

    I also think there must be a deeper meaning to all this-at base it is some kind of redefinition of human life – some kind of redrawing of our relationship to the environment and each other. If we fail in this i sense that we will descend into barbarism. there is only three days without food between a happy sociable person and a mad psychopath and we really need to be very careful here. There is a manichean competition going on with many and various symptoms-all visible at the moment, with a huge awakening of many people who were previously just compliant victims . i am sure the blog is a small part of this.

  4. Hi Golem

    Presumably you've heard that the next batch of wikileaks is going to be about a big US bank? It's supposed to happen in January. I can see that potentially being a real 'game changer' (to use an annoying but useful cliche) with ramifications at least as big as the current batch of leaks if that does come to pass…

  5. Hi Golem

    Congratulations on a great blog. I am so glad to have found you and your community here – a sanctuary of sanity when surrounded by such appalling head-in-the-sand acquiescence.

    I am no economist (I am a Physicist by trade and so did enjoy this Schrodinger pension post) – but – I have been perplexed for some time now as to why capitalism was not adhered to in relation to failed private banks.

    You have provided mush priceless ammunition in my railing against this with friends, family and my poor wife. Your analysis and focus is superb.

    On pensions – I suppose the poor Irish citizen is being forced to prise the lid of the box a little right now – what with the "raid" on their pension pot (to pour into the bottomless pit of banking bad debt) by their useless/spineless government there.

    What do you think the chances of a new government there being willing and able to fight off the bondholders – insist they take a haircut – and govern in the interest of the people? I do so hope that can happen and be a beacon to other states.

    Please keep up the good work.

  6. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    angryian,

    That question is the heart of my worry. I have said since '08 that this is a crisis of democracy more even than it is a crisis of debt. Thus I read with a feeling of cold liquid in my guts a comment yesterday by EU commissioner Olli Rehn, when he said about any election in Ireland,

    "it would not be advisable for any new government to try to renegotiate key aspects of the IMF/EU deal."

    In other words the Irish can vote for who they like BUT any talk of the people having a say in how their money is spent is NOT allowed.

    Democracy – I don't think so. The bond holders will say, we can't do business with people who can't be trusted not to break their agreements and contracts. To which I would say – I beg your pardon – What, like every bank has done?

    The Irish people are not legally nor morally obliged to make the bond holders whole. They should not. They should restructure in the way that is best for the people not the domestic or foreign banks nor their bond holders. END OF STORY.

  7. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    TheMacPuddock,

    Welcome. If I understand yu correctly then I don;t think you and I are very far apart. Valuations have to change banks have to take the losses associated with those reduced valuations.

    The only piece missing is taht the bnks no longer hold most of those mortgages. Thus it will not be the banks taking the reductions. Those mortgages were securitized and sold on. Many to pension funds. This is where the pension wailing comes from and why I tried to address it.

    I agree about a wider re-evaluation of what we really want and who we are. Completely.

    All I was trying to say is that tehe losses have already happened. As for associated losses and disruption – the disruption is always exagerated and new businesses spring up.

    Compare Iceland and Ireland. Iceland's economy and stock market were decimated BUT have been growing VERY strongly this last year while Ireland has been sinking without respite.

    THAT is the lesson.

  8. This is indeed a crisis of democracy even more than it's a crisis of debt.

    What the Irish people should demand right now is a referendum on whether they should accept for themselves and their children responsibility for honouring the banks' debts or whether the banks should bear their own losses.

    Of course, what lies behind the bullying is the panicked fear in Berlin, London etc. that the losses consequential on an Irish default will cause a domino collapse of their own foolish banks. Estimates vary but exposures are perhaps 200 billion Euros in each of the UK and Germany. Plus because the Irish govt was enabling regulatory arbitrage probably lots more hidden suff in all sorts of dodgy financial instruments with alphabet-soup names.

    And while we're about it, can we have a referendum in the UK too?

  9. richard in norway

    golem

    as i understand it most of the securitized mortgages were fraudulent and there is a lawsuit in the states which if it succeeds will force the banks to take back the CDO's at face value' i would assume that the same could happen in Europe

    the pensions are saved!!

    i've always been against private pensions precisely because it was obvious that govt's would be forced to bail them out at some stage, we will see if that happens soon

  10. Great piece Golem. I would just add that as many pension systems are “defined benefit” rather than “defined contribution” the taxpayer is already on the hook for the entire pension fund, whether the cat is dead or alive. The politicians and their bond-holding masters are acutely aware that if the quantum box is ever opened the current financial system will go “poof”. So your analogy is very apt.

  11. David, that is a masterful description of the game currently being played. Well done.

    Here's an eerie little thought: In Japan, the benefit system has been based on a particularly Japanese notion of trust and it turns out that for years people lots of people have been drawing on their deceased parents state pensions. The scandal has rocked the core of Japanese society. Financial crises can make societies set up ghastly wealth distribution systems. Let hope our futures don't get so bent out of shape.

  12. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    Pat,

    Why is it always worse than you think, never better?

    Thanks for keeping me on the stright and narrow.
    Enjoyed your exchange qwith Whistleblower. Spoke to her earlier. She enjoyed it too.

    Good to have some sharp insights about Ireland and her politics.

  13. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    Nicksinthemix,

    Welcome to our kingdom of doom.

    I remember reading that and like you wondered what dark thing it said about Japanese society. How dark we become as cuts bite I hesitate to think.

  14. The MacPuddock said:

    I also think there must be a deeper meaning to all this-at base it is some kind of redefinition of human life – some kind of redrawing of our relationship to the environment and each other.

    MacPuddock has replaced Cheryl Cole as my choice for PM.

  15. Corollary 1.1

    The more precisely we attempt to measure the value of a CDO, the less precisely we are able to measure its price, and vice versa.

  16. dave from france

    Private Pension Fnds that go bust have a maximum Insurance Fund payout of say ÂŁ27000 pa. I assume sliding scale for lower.

    Public Sector could be re-equilibrated on similar lines, in time of real Crisis.

    Defined Benefit Schemes — tough shit. We change the law . Same re-distributory method, the well-heeled lose and the lowest don't get touched .

    We Are All in This Together, Right ?

  17. dave from france

    Worldwide problem ?

    "When your entire business revolves around tallying up what’s in which account and who owns what to whom, it’s just not possible for a glitch to cause the widespread problems that happened to the NAB over the past week.

    The fact is, the way banks operate, all of them are insolvent. I won’t cover old ground on this one, but to put it simply, the banks have larger obligations to pay demand depositors than the amount of deposits held at the banks."
    OZ BANK

  18. @JamieGriffiths
    Heisenberg's Financial Uncertainty Principle is a perfect tie-in to Schrodinger's Pension. LOL

    @dave from france
    Banks must surely have some leverage otherwise investment is not possible. It's just a question of how much and over what time period. Certainly, leverage ratios of 20 or more have been an abomination!

    Cue Samuel L. Jackson to gravely intone a passage from the good book.

  19. Golem XIV - Thoughts

    Dave from France,

    Agree completely about the necessary pension law changes.

    Martin,

    I am waiting for the leak concerning BoA (or whatever bank it turns out to concern) If they try to D notice that or if the US try similar then it will be fun and games for all.

  20. Tam,

    I don't think the editors of MSM will actually be scared of legal action – like you say, they're virtually impossible to enforce – but the D-notices could serve as a plausible excuse not to print if the editors are leant on by their owners.

    And the TV news networks are basically weather channels over the three months of winter.

  21. liberaleye said:
    "What the Irish people should demand right now is a referendum on whether they should accept for themselves and their children responsibility for honouring the banks' debts or whether the banks should bear their own losses."

    That's funny. I launched a petition on this matter less than an hour ago – asking the President of Ireland to exercise her constitutional powers to unyoke the welfare of the people from the commercial interests of private banks. I hope you don't mind me mentioning it here.

  22. princesschipchops

    Good points Golem about saving the pension funds to a certain level per individual under a sort of guarantee scheme. Right now the argument of those defending this, frankly insane, turn of events is that bondholders are just you and me and anyone with a pension. Yet it was always known that 'the value of your investment can go down as well as up.' It seems crazy that the belief now is investments can never go bad as they will always be protected by the taxpayer.

    As for it being a crisis of democracy – very true. I was really concnerned about the revelations about King yesterday. He seems to be dictating UK political and economic policy to some extent. Seems strange that after meetings with him both Clegg and Cameron hardened their stance significantly. And this guy didn't even see any of this coming and I would argue is putting forward all the wrong solutions.

  23. You are right RichGB. I had read it but somehow under-appreciating Golam’s contribution on this. My apologies to Golem, Guido and their contributors.

    But how do we get the mainstream media to do dig and publish their own lists of bailout bondholders? How do we get them to do what Golem and Guido Fawkes did? The highly paid mainstream boys should be all over this and compiling their own list of bank bondholders and publishing it every day until everybody in the world knows who Ireland and Europe is bailing out. This is an international issue of the highest importance.

    I guess the point I was trying to make, with all due respect to Golem and Guido Fawkes and the contributors to this blog, is that together we have to achieve the kind of high profile for this list that Wikileaks has achieved for the diplomatic cable traffic. We need to give these secretive bondholders the same kind of conniptions Wikileaks is giving to the secretive international diplomatic corps.

    If all this indicates a crisis of democracy it is because we no longer have a free press. It has been co-opted by business interests as thoroughly as in totalitarian regimes. We need to build an alternative “press” on the Internet as hopefully we are doing right here and on other similar blogs.

  24. You nail it the last paragraph, Pat. I don't think there's any editor in the mainstream press that wants to wade out into the deep water. They all know there are sharks out there.

    I've been reading some interesting theories today about how Wikileaks could be part of a CIA PsyOps programme.

    Probably all complete nonsense.

    Probably.

  25. On the subject of shrodinger's moggy, have a look at this nice little image

    Also Princesschipchops (nice to see you here btw!) I think you're being unfair about King. He gave plenty of warnings this was coming over the years, (albeit in the slightly coded, deliberately understated way that central bankers have to use) that the NICE decade wasn't going last forever. The trouble was that no one wanted to hear it back when times were good. And no mainstream economist associated with a government is ever going to say outright there's a bust around the corner in the middle of a boom. They'd be fired immediately if they did for one thing!

  26. princesschipchops

    Hey Tam – good point about them being fired immediately if they did say something. But I still think he has a very right wing neo-liberal agenda and he seems to be pushing it onto politicians too (and yes I know of course they will ask his opinion but that is not the impression I got when listening to Clegg etc – more of an impression of King telling them what they must do… or else).

  27. Pat
    You are right about the need to expose who are the bondholders and bring it to a wide audience. But it is top of the past posts on Gokem. I have tried Redditting it more than once. Do the Irish generally know it? The information especially that it was not pension funds as had been alleged but secretive banks who form the bulk of the bondholders is vital but I am afraid that the list in itself will mean little to most people. But in the longer run this kind of intelligence is going to matter. Little by little as people get educated the anger will grow. I am still a bit surprised how little rage Ireland has shown up to now. But this may be a slow burn….

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